From Overthinking To Inner Peace through ERA Coaching with Eddie Truong

Ever wonder why scrolling feels relaxing even as it leaves you more restless? We sit down with coach and author Eddie Truong to unpack the hidden mechanics of phone compulsion, the shame high achievers carry when discipline doesn’t work, and the path to a calmer, more focused life without giving up ambition. Eddie’s insights cut through the noise with a blend of neuroscience, behavioural psychology, and lived experience that makes complex ideas immediately useful.

Eddie shares how variable ratio rewards—think slot machines in your pocket—keep you checking notifications, and why we get a bigger dopamine rush from anticipation than from the reward itself. For driven professionals, that loop often collides with identity: if you can master a career, why not your device? Understanding the system disarms guilt and opens the door to smarter strategies: reduce triggering cues, design friction into your digital defaults, and replace avoidance with skills that regulate attention and emotion.

The conversation turns personal as Eddie recounts moving to the United States on a full scholarship, the isolation that followed, and the coping strategy of overachievement that hid anxiety and depression. From that journey came ERA Coaching—Empowerment, Rediscovery, Awakening—a framework that helps clients reclaim agency, uncover the real motives behind their success, and align impact with inner peace. We dive into practical tools like powerful questions that lead you to your own answers, acknowledgement that reflects strengths you can’t see, and a reframe of meditation as time with self rather than another task to win. Eddie also names the “spiritual ego” that grades your growth and shows how forgiveness dissolves that pressure so real change can stick.

If you’re searching for help with phone addiction, burnout, overthinking, or sustainable productivity, you’ll find clear steps and fresh perspective here. Walk away with simple changes to notification hygiene, work–rest boundaries, and daily presence, alongside a deeper belief that success and serenity can coexist. Enjoyed the conversation? Subscribe, share with a friend who needs it, and leave a review to help others find the show.

Eddie Truong

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Chapters

• 4:58 Meet Eddie And The Core Problem
• 6:03 Addiction Or Avoiding Discomfort
• 9:33 Dopamine And The Slot Machine Phone
• 12:13 Guilt, Discipline And High Performers
• 13:28 A Silent Pandemic Of Screens
• 15:03 Eddie’s Story: Scholarship And Shock
• 19:13 Isolation, Anxiety And Overachievement
• 23:03 Success Outside, Turmoil Inside
• 24:43 Why ERA Coaching Exists
• 26:23 Empowerment: Power From Within
• 27:53 Two Tools: Inquiry And Acknowledgement
• 30:43 Rediscovery: What Drives Success
• 33:13 Awakening: Peace And Ambition Together
• 35:43 Meditation As Daily Anchor
• 38:53 Forgiveness And The Spiritual Ego

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 2:30

Welcome everybody to another episode of the fall. I'm your host, Natasha Dorothy, and I'm a lawyer, I'm an energy characterist, I'm an author, and of course I'm a podcaster. And today we've got a lovely new guest who is called Eddie Hoo. So welcome Eddie. Thank you so much for supporting the podcast.

SPEAKER_02: 2:52

Thank you for having me, Natasha. Lovely to be here.

SPEAKER_00: 2:55

It's a pleasure. It's a pleasure. So let me just give um a quick introduction. Eddie is the founder of ERA Coaching. He's an inner transformational coach. And he guides high achievers through burnout, overthinking, and phone addictions. That fascinated me. Why why? Because I feel the tendency myself sometimes. But why do we get addicted to truth? What what is it about it? We seem to zone out, don't we?

SPEAKER_02: 3:28

So uh with phone, the the fun the key thing to recognize that we are not really addicted to phone. What we really addicted to is avoiding discomfort. Because we are not, you know, it's uh and obviously there is an addiction side to phone as well. And uh in my book that I just released called The Digital Freedom Guide, I actually go up, talk about the science behind the addiction. But at the same time, we have to recognize what truly the purpose of us being on our phone all the time is because we feel very uncomfortable being pressed in the moment, or very uncomfortable when there's nothing to do, right? Uh that's why I describe a lot of high performance, myself included, uh, in the past, is you know, we're very restless because, you know, we almost feel there's a certain amount of guilt of doing nothing, of just being, of just resting. And, you know, especially uh somebody uh who works in an office setting who always constantly using their computer or one screen, uh a form of screen or another for their work. But when they rest, when they're trying to rest, they go on their phone and still continue to stimulate their mind, thinking that that will help them rest. But since the mind is constantly activated and stimulated, we always feel restless because it's always on. The reason why I wrote the book, and the reason why I even you know uh have a passion helping people overcoming that because it was something that I suffer and struggle with for almost 10 years. Um always uh and I I found that I always trying to find a book that really, really arrests the deep-rooted issue. But all I find a lot is just you know, surface level fix. You know, things would be like, you know, put your phone away or turn your phone to rayscale or um, you know, this and that, a lot of technique, which I is very helpful and which I also included in my books. But at the same time, when we have to we have to understand those are only service level. It's like putting a bandit over an open wound. Yeah, it's only until we address a deeply rooted issue of what truly are we avoiding, and an issue of our identity as well. Only then does the service level fix become effective. Otherwise, it will just be something that worked for a week or two, and then we just uh our mind just adapt to it right away and find a way to overcome that.

SPEAKER_00: 6:03

Yeah. Yeah, I I completely and actually get that. And a lot of the time it's masking, you know, outwardly, people are incredibly successful and they seem to have their life in order and they're very high functioning, but on a level that they're very overwhelmed. They're beginning to feel very overwhelmed. I'm myself doing that. You can lose an hour easily. It's almost like dying out, isn't it? It's just finding a way to um sort of um yeah, just just go into a trance almost, which you think is relaxing, but it's not.

SPEAKER_02: 6:46

Exactly. It's just uh instead of the reason why it does feel relaxing because the mind doesn't have to produce any thought. Uh the mind does, you know, just go uh adopt the thought of orders, which is through a screen, you know, as itself. But at the same time, you know, so it felt relaxing, and obviously there's also the dopamine factor to it. Uh the the the the chemical that makes us addicted to phone is dopamine. And once we're on our phone, and it's basically uh on on the book I have it that's that's a chapter that goes be about the science of phone addiction. And one of the key things that make phones so addicted is something called the intermittent reinforcement or variable racial reward. This is a discovery by a famous psychologist named B. F. Skinner. And he had found out that uh reward for the side behavior, but when it's uh rewarded unpredictably, not every single time, it makes the behavior become even more addicted. For example, if you think of going to a slot machine, if if if a slot machine, if every time you pull the lever and you win all the time, it soon becomes something that you like, well, it's just boring now. It's not that's no fun. But if you pull it and you don't know if you're gonna get that win or not, that makes it so much more addictive. Yeah, and we actually release more dopamine in the expectation of reward more than when we actually receive reward. Right. So, because of this, you know, I I can I compare our phone to like uh a slot machine in our pocket, you know, similar to every time we pull a lever, expect hoping we're gonna get a win. Every time we open a phone for notification, we don't know if it's something that a message from somebody we love, a really funny meme that we love to see, or just uh random text from maybe an advertisement, right? So we don't know if it's something that we love or something that we just don't care about. And because of that, not knowing, because of that, you know, anticipation, that makes it so addicted to us. And that's why that's why every time there's a notification, there's a thing a lot of people couldn't have, but have to check it out.

SPEAKER_01: 9:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 9:08

So understanding that, understanding uh the psychology and this neuroscience behind phone addiction, it allows us to understand what we're up against. And it's also uh allow us to less uh have less guilt about it. Because it's this is not something that uh, and this is very relevant to hyperforma because uh hyperforma is very disciplined in their life. But somehow, some way, this phone addiction thing, they they they find that it's very difficult for them to use their discipline uh against it, and because of that, they feel guilt. They say, Why can't I not be so disciplined with this device? Uh, why am I letting it control my life? But we have to understand the neuroscience behind it and understand that uh we uh basically it's a losing battle if we keep using discipline.

SPEAKER_00: 10:00

It's a real sort of um a recent problem, isn't it? And this this sort of generation that are now teenagers and they've never known it any different, it it's a real problem for them, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02: 10:14

100%.

SPEAKER_00: 10:15

Yeah, we've got to get back to the basics when we don't have phones.

SPEAKER_02: 10:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 10:23

I remember that.

SPEAKER_02: 10:25

Yeah, I I actually uh was very lucky to drew up. So uh I drew up in the 90. So I was at the tail end of uh basically society right before phone was introduced. And I just do remember just like how much how much more carefully we were back then, and uh how much more children were playing outside compared to now. And what I call phone addiction shoes, it's like a silent pandemic because you know, unlike drug or alcohol addiction, which you know everyone knows is bad, and society knows it's bad, and there's a stigma about it, and you know, we this there's a very conscious effort to overcome that with foreign addiction since since everybody have it, uh, it becomes something so normal. And there's something that people don't truly realize just how dangerous it actually is, and how damaging it is, not only to our personal relationship, to our personal life, but also to society as well. Yeah, and you know, because we say, oh, technology, that's just how we connect, that's how we become productive. So it's a pandemic in disguise of connection, of productivity. So that's why it's the most dangerous addiction to me because nobody truly understands how dangerous it is.

SPEAKER_00: 11:37

Yeah, exactly. So you work with you also work with higher teachers about burnout as well, chronic overthinking. Um so why did you go into this sort of field? What drew you to sort of help that sort of um executives, entrepreneurs?

SPEAKER_02: 11:59

Uh, you will see a common team because everything that the the people that I so passionate have was those that whose shoe I was in. Uh I was I'm an engineer. Uh I have always been a high performer, high chief of my whole life. And you know, the recent when I first came to the US, I came here on a full-right scholarship.

SPEAKER_01: 12:21

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 12:21

And at 18, you know, that that was something that was such a huge achievement for me. And that was something that I worked basically all my uh teenage years to work for toward that goal. And so when I achieved that dream, I was like sky high. I was on clown eye. I was just so happy and just so very optimistic about the future. And I I was so excited about this move to the U.S. And I do remember uh one of my very close friends, uh, when I was repairing to go to the US, he he asked me, he said, are you not worried about like the culture shock? Like, have you ever think about that? And I this is war for what basically what I told him. I say, culture shock. I love hot dog, I love pizza. I eat hamburger like no tomorrow. I I watch MTV, I love HPO, like what's culture shock? But I'm so repaired for the US. And you know, I Natasha, I could have not been more wrong. Uh the first thing that you felt right away when I first moved here is the isolation, the loneliness. You know, I do remember being uh invited to this show. Um it's a local show, about a week into my stay in the U.S., uh one of my crewmates at the time invited me to this local show. And in this show, it's like a Thailand show. That's like uh there's the fashion walk, there's was we were singing, dancing, stand-up comedy. Like it was such a good time, and everybody was laughing, including myself. But at the same time, in the midst of all this you know, fun and joy, I suck something suddenly hit me. I suddenly looked to my left, and then I looked to my right, and then I realized that I knew no one here. And that's the next the next person that I do knew, do know that the next person that I do call family is actually 10,000 miles away. Yeah, that that broke me down um instantly, and I I could not stop crying. And I remember the worst feeling about it was thinking to myself, this is not a dream I could work out of. Like when I get home, when the show is over, I still gonna have to wake up the next day, and this is gonna be still my reality. And then adding on to that was you know the culture difference. Uh how I make friends when I was in Vietnam growing up was my sense of humor. Uh, that's how I connected with people. But when I get over here, there was a language barrier, and that's also the sense of humor in the US is very different than that in you know in Vietnam. Uh I've learned that in the US, you know, people are very sarcastic. You know, that's something I have to adapt. You know, like I've learned that if somebody says, Man, you are a really smart cookie, huh? That they don't really think you're a smart cookie, right? So uh those are the things I had to learn. And I I come to very love this sense of humor now. But at that time, it was very challenging for me to navigate relationships. And because of that, I just I couldn't talk to anyone. I didn't have anyone to talk to besides my family who, you know, very you know, you know, was very supportive of me. But beside that, I was by myself and adding on to that was the breast to success, uh, to succeed, because one of the requirements for my full-right scholarship was to have a GPA of 3.5. And in the US, the scale is up to 4.0, is the max for a GPA. So to get a 3.5 GPA for every semester, that means I basically have to get eight in every class. And for a Vietnamese kid who never studied, you know, tech who never taken a test in English, never studied fully in English before, it's very challenging. And uh, so I was constantly riddled with anxiety and overthinking. And so this all of this combining uh with financial struggle and everything, adding on to it, it lets me into this like a great depression period when I was very, very close to giving up on everything. And so this and the and people ask me, well, how did how did I cope with these emotions? How did I cope with this depression? The way I cope with it was diving myself even harder on studying. Uh, I was locking myself in the library from 5 a.m. to 11 p.m. every single day. Not because I love studying so much, but because it was, I felt like studying was the only thing I could control. And it was the the accomplishment was like I almost there was there was uh desperation that if my race is good enough, if I'm still achieving this scholarship, still achieving this accomplishment in school, nobody will just know nobody will figure out how broken I really am on the inside. And and at the same time, I was also very afraid of dealing with my emotions and studying and just having something to occupy my mind felt like a much better, a much better thing to endure than to be alone with my mind. So even though I was going through such a great depression, my race was awesome and my accomplishments were awesome. I was on an honorable student, and nobody just really knew how broken I already was. And even though over the years, as I adapted to life in the US, and uh so I was able to overcome with the depression, that that fear, that drive to accomplish to accomplish, to achieve, to hide my emotion, was still there. And I recognize this, and this is why, even though with all the success, later on I was I have my master, I have my six-figure career, I have my you know, real estate uh property investment. I was having all the things that people would consider a success. I was achieving all this thing that people would say this is an American dream. But deep down inside, I was very broken. I was still very anxious. I was still very uh I could not be alone with my mind. And and that that drive me, you know, that's drive me into my passion in mental health, and under, you know, to understand and to have people who are in the same shoot I am, but at the same time to understand what's going on with me first. And you know, that that's that's how I'm I'm on this journey right now, and it's been uh 13 years on this journey, and the passion is still there. Because I I just know I just know how lonely and just how painful being a depression is, especially when you're in depressed, you felt like there's nobody you could talk to or could really understand what's going on. And what's my my goal and my passion is that being that person for people going through this, not from a place of like, oh hey, I actually went to train coaching training school, I've been to uh I actually have this uh diploma, this coaching certification, anything on my wall. But I want to have them from a place of I was there. Yeah, so I know deep down, I know exactly how painful and how lonely it is. And I know that you felt like nobody could understand you, nobody cares you, but I do. And that's that's why I'm on this journey.

SPEAKER_00: 20:53

Wow. Well, well done, you for to go to you know, to be taking exams in a different language. I just don't know where to start. A lot of people be completely lost, so good for you. Um and I can see how that is very powerful for your clients because you have that knowing and you have that empathy with them. So you went you changed careers and went off into coaching and you founded ERA coaching. What does ERA coaching stand for?

SPEAKER_02: 21:28

So EIA coaching is actually stand for empowerment, rediscovery, and awakening. And this isn't just me, you know, coming up with Googling three most spiritually starting words and just put them together. Uh, this is actually the framework that I developed, and it's something that I use not only in my coaching, but also my personal life. Because it's always started out with first empowerment. Uh so often in life, especially when things get really difficult, you know, we couldn't help but feel powerless. And we felt like the power to change or the power to transform has to come from with tower and not within. You know, that's why we will say something like, you know, once I get that promotion, I'd be happy. Or once I make that career change, I'd be happy, or once I make that seven-figure deal, or whatever it is, or once I meet that person, right? We're putting, you know, we're putting the power to change our life on something outside, on the external circumstances, but I'm here to remind that the power to change and the Bible transform hasn't can only be within you. It's something that's it's already there. All we have to do is uncover it. And you know, people only ask me, well, well, how do you empower someone? You know, it's nice, but how do you do it? And that's there's actually many ways uh to empower somebody. Uh this and the my two favorite way, and I think these are the two most powerful, it's number one, first uh the first one, the first way is to not to trust them to come to the answer themselves.

SPEAKER_01: 23:08

Right.

SPEAKER_02: 23:09

And as coaches, that's a lot of like self-management in this because um a lot of times we want to be like, oh, I know the answer to this, I can give it to you. But we have to understand the answer, you know, might be different for everybody. And one of my philosophy is that information from without is a solution. But information that comes from within, that's the transformation. So be able to trust and be able to be there and guide them to get that answer themselves and trusting that they will get there themselves, uh, that is so more powerful than anything uh that you could do. Because once they come to the answer, once they got that click, that shift, that transformation is long-lasting.

SPEAKER_01: 23:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 23:55

And then the second method was called acknowledgement. Uh, acknowledgement is different than accompliment, because accompliment would be like you know, sensing something nice and make the other person feel good. For example, if I say, Natasha, that's a beautiful sweater you got on, uh, that's a compliment. An acknowledgement is you know, pointing a light as something that the other person is too close to see. You know, pointing a light at the strength that they are too close to see. For some, if I say acknowledgments would be like, Natasha, the way that you show up today, despite everything that's going on, that's strange. The way that you were able to stick with your emotion without running away, that's courage. The way you were able to love, despite all the negativity that's going on in your life, that's amazing. You know, having porting out this trend, because a lot of times we are too close to see on this, a lot of time we are too close to the matter to really see the trend that we uh actually exhibit. Supporting that and allowing them to understand, oh, we are powerful and already even in the midst of tough time. To me, that's that's very empowering. And once once we, you know, in after this empowerment process, then we step into rediscovery. This is when we rediscover who we truly are and discover, rediscover, like, and it's also rediscovering and uncovering what has really been driving our sus our try our success. And a lot of times when I work with high performer, you know, it's it's very surprising to them that what really been driving, you know, all this hard work ethic and all that things is actually fear, you know, or the fear of not being enough.

SPEAKER_01: 25:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 25:52

Or the fear of not being significant, right? So once we really uncover this and understand that's truly what's been driving us, then we can then we can come up with a well, what what be a better motivation? What impact would you want to have? Who in your life would who in your life would you want to uplift by uh with your success and accomplishment? Because this the process isn't about to deny success. Because those can be very powerful things. You know, the more financial, the more financial power you have, the more impact you can create. But it's about understanding what's truly important and adding, you know, adding that, adding that pursuit for inner peace along with the pursuit for success at the same time.

SPEAKER_01: 26:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 26:51

Because a lot of times I think the mainstream idea of success is somebody who's have a seven, eight-figure income, beautiful house, you know, maybe a yacht or beautiful car, whatever it may be, but at the same time, they're very unhappy. That's the idea of success. And the idea of somebody who has inner peace is almost like somebody who meditates all the all day, and somebody who lives in isolation, who reject all material possession, and because of that they find peace. And people think that's the only way to find peace. The whole process of rediscovering empowerment and awakening is to understand that those two can exist at the same time.

SPEAKER_01: 27:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 27:30

And that has to come from truly rediscovering who you truly are and what has been driving you.

SPEAKER_01: 27:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 27:38

And after this rediscovery process, then we go into the fun stuff. This is the empowerment. This is when we get to decide your life. This is when we get to from a place of you know knowing who you truly are, knowing your higher self, then what step do you want to take? What impact do you want to create? Like, what does your uh empowering, fulfilling life look like to you? A life when you can have both success and inner peace at the same time. And you know, that's the fun part. But at the same time, as I'm explaining this, it sounds like a linear process. It sounds like all empowerment and recovery and uh the awakening. Uh, but that's not the case. You know, most of the time it's a very, very, it's like sometimes we go in the loop. Sometimes we go from one step to another, back to the other step. And sometimes it's zigzag. It's it's very different for everyone. And that's why it's also very fulfilling and very intriguing to me to be able to facilitate and witness this transformation. And yeah, I just absolutely love it. Absolutely love the the transformation that I get to witness, you know, from week to week, uh, from coaching session to coaching session. So uh, and so that's what ERA stands for, and that's why so uh such a fulfilling endeavor I'm on.

SPEAKER_00: 28:56

Yeah, oh no, it's amazing. I I completely get that. It isn't easy, and it isn't easy to process. But if people stick to it, it is very rewarding. Um and like you say, you can be successful, the classic successful, and still be at peace and be useful with yourself and and find that happiness. But there's a lot of people that haven't got that, so it's amazing to hear you talk about that. Um so tell me, um, I always like to ask my guest this focus at you, but tell me one one spiritual thing that you have done in all your journey that has really helped you. I know about meditation before we started the episode, but is it something that you do daily, or is it something else that you just um you know realize has really helped you on your journey to where you are now?

SPEAKER_02: 29:52

Oh, meditation has been one of the key of my personal transformation. Uh, because if you if you look at it, you know, a lot of the problem that we have in our life come from us running away from our emotions and our thoughts. And meditation has been uh very key in you know in be able to, I wouldn't say overcome, be able to accept. Uh, because you know, thought and emotion, that's part of life. And with meditation, you come to realize because through meditation, you become the witness of the thought and the emotion and no longer identify with it. And by doing that, you're able to come and accept it. And come and accept, you know, these are time emotion, and like a lot, you know, an analogy that I love and people use a lot, like treating them like a cloud uh on the sky and just noticing it and let it flow. And if I have any uh advice uh for people who want to try out meditation, uh this I this is mostly very helpful to me. You could not say call it something else than meditation because a lot of times people you know think of meditation and almost make it like a task. Like, okay, it's more I have to go to I have to meditate 30 minutes or for an hour if I want to achieve this. It's more of just it's a time with yourself. And it's a time with God, it's a time with the universe. And it's just it's just so relaxing. It's just not uh and I know at the beginning it can find very, you know, difficult. And that's you know, because it's it's just not something you were used to. That's why. But as you develop this, I'd love for you to try and make this some net and you know, uh, the way I call it is I I call it my time with God and my time with self. That's what resonates with me. And when I say that, it's something become like almost a treat to myself. It's not something I have to do. It's like, oh, I guess it's 30 minutes, 45 minutes that I can just like relax, and that there's no right or wrong, and this can I can just be. There's no doing required. And so call it whatever resonate with you, something that gives you excitement, something that puts your mind at ease when you do it, and that will become very helpful for you on the long term, and that will allow you to um to do this practice, you know, day to day. And you know, another thing would be like understanding this is very key in my journey to uh our spirituality is forgiveness.

SPEAKER_01: 32:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 32:35

And forgiveness starts with forgiveness of the self, uh, especially, and I I I know you relate to this, uh, sometime in our spiritual journey, uh we we almost develop what I call a spiritual ego. And this is the ego that says, I you've been on this journey long enough. Why are you still bothered by that thing? Or why do you still have this thought? You know, you you you've been on this, you know, you meditate every day, but you still affected by it. So uh we have a spiritual ego that's like there's an image of what a spiritual person would be, and when we are not that, it there's criticism. So it's very tricky to recognize this. And uh and a lot of time, you know, for example, I I remember when I, you know, early on my journey, I become very frustrated. If I meditate and, you know, I wasn't, you know, after every meditation, the EO almost like do uh, you know, a reveal. Like, was I was I pressing, you know, I was only pressing 80% of the time, that's not good. Right. And that's a lot of anger. Oh, especially when even on my journey, I was still struggling with my technology addiction at the time. And there was gear on that. It's like, why can't I not overcome that? So that as you uh but as you on uh get on this journey of spirituality, understand that there's gonna be a lot of self-creasm and self-judgment from the ego and forgiveness of the self.

unknown: 34:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 34:13

Forgiveness say, of course, uh, I felt that way. Of course, there's that judgment. It's okay to have that. And just when you forgive yourself for having those high emotions, you're able to just accept that at what it is, and only then can you be able to let that go.

SPEAKER_01: 34:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 34:32

Uh without forgiveness, uh everything just the ego just holds everything in and letting go become very, very challenging. And you will see that once you develop this forgiveness to yourself, it will translate to forgiveness to other as well. Yeah, and have a much more compassion uh to other people. So for anyone listening, I highly, highly um recommend you to meditate and in the process, uh you know, learn forgiveness, practice forgiveness of yourself and of others. And I promise you, I promise you, uh the change you'll see in your life will be beyond comprehension.

SPEAKER_00: 35:16

Yeah, absolutely. Beautifully said that, Eddie. There, but yes, no, no, not being self-critical. Because we're all completely unique, aren't we? And you know, our journeys are completely unique. Um and it's so fascinating to listen to you about your journey. So thank you so much for um coming on the podcast. I've really enjoyed chatting to you.

SPEAKER_02: 35:40

Yeah, thank you so much for having me, Natasha. It was it was a lovely conversation.

SPEAKER_00: 35:44

No, it was great, and um a lot of things resonated. So um I really enjoyed it. Thank you very well. Thank you so much, and um, I wish you well with your uh coaching business in the future. I'm gonna put up all your details underneath the episode. So um, if there is anybody listening that would like to contact you, they can do that. And thank you again. It's been a pleasure meeting you.

SPEAKER_02: 36:11

Thank you so much, Natasha.

SPEAKER_00: 36:13

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