What If The Body’s Largest “Organ” Remembers Everything? with Peter Stuart

Pain doesn’t always start where it hurts. We sit down with massage therapist and myofascial release specialist Peter Stuart to explore fascia—the collagen-rich connective tissue that wraps muscles, nerves, organs, and bone—and why researchers now see it as a bodywide sensory network. Peter breaks down how gentle, sustained touch can signal the nervous system to soften long‑held tension, and why this light approach often outperforms forceful techniques for people living with chronic pain.

Across the conversation, we look at scars and adhesions that quietly tether tissue and create puzzling symptoms years after surgery or injury. Peter explains how pelvic balance underpins healthy movement, how desk posture teaches the brain to brace, and why small, frequent movement keeps fascial layers hydrated and gliding as we age. We also dive into TMJ and teeth grinding, tracing the overlap between biomechanics, anxiety, and sleep, and where counselling or EMDR can support lasting change.

The heart of Peter’s practice is whole‑person care. He screens for life stress, past trauma, nutrition, and sleep because pain rarely lives in one place. That lens includes emerging research on birth trauma, ADHD, and generational stress, along with emotional release through tissue work—a space where the body’s structure and story meet. Expect clear explanations, practical takeaways, and a fresh understanding of how intention, gentle pressure, and smart movement can help your body let go.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Meet Peter Stewart And Fascia 101
• 5:48 Fascia As A Bodywide Sensory Network
• 9:13 Light Touch Versus Force In Bodywork
• 13:58 Whole-Person Care And Chronic Pain
• 18:13 Scars, Adhesions And Hidden Tension
• 21:48 Why Fascia Awareness Is Growing
• 24:38 Pelvic Balance, TMJ And Trauma Links
• 29:28 Emotional Memory In Tissue
• 34:33 Ageing Fascia, Movement And Prevention
• 39:43 Birth Trauma, ADHD And Nervous System

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 2:30

So, welcome everybody to another episode of Balm to the Soul. I'm your host, Natasha Joy Price, and I am an energy healer, I'm an author, I'm a podcaster, and I'm a lawyer as well. So today we have a new guest, and his name is Peter Stewart. So welcome, Peter. Thank you so much for coming on to Barn to the Soul.

SPEAKER_01: 2:55

Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_00: 2:56

Oh no, it's a pleasure. It's lovely to have a new person and new information. And I have to say, I don't know anything about what you do. So I might ask some basic questions. But Peter is a massage therapist and he specializes in myofascial release. Did I say that right?

SPEAKER_01: 3:16

Close. I think you're getting close here. Myofascial release, yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 3:19

Myofascial release. I found that really difficult to say. Okay, so um you tell me what that is. Let's start from there. What what is myofascial release all about?

SPEAKER_01: 3:33

Sure. Um, well, it's a hands-on body therapy. Uh, it doesn't uh require oils, it just requires hands on the body. Um it's kind of an umbrella term. Uh, if you think of uh if you break it down Latin, um the Latin uh myo means muscle and uh fascia means band. So most people think of it as a the band around your muscles or sort of like a saran wrap that wraps your body.

SPEAKER_00: 3:59

Um but it's not actually muscle, is it?

SPEAKER_01: 4:02

No, it's connective tissue. So uh if you think of the muscle complex, um uh the the muscle tissue itself is wrapped in fascia in layers. So uh from a cellular layer, you will have um a wrapping of fascia, and then you get a bunch of those muscle cells together to make a muscle fiber, and that's wrapped with fascia. Then you get a bunch of muscles fibers together to create a bundle or a fascicle, and that's wrapped with fascia. And then you get a bunch of those fascicles or bundles uh wrapped together and and uh uh with fascia, and that's that outer layer of the muscle, and um, and that's considered the deep layer um because you have a superficial layer underneath your skin as well.

SPEAKER_00: 4:47

So it's everywhere the whole structure of your body.

SPEAKER_01: 4:52

Well, it so it does the same thing to interdigitates the organs. Um, it's the lining around the the brain and spinal cord. Right um it's the um uh lining around all the nerves. In fact, it's layered, uh the nerves are layered in fascia, just like the muscle is. And then you have um, you know, um the the bones are wrapped in um in fascia as well. It's called the periosteum. That's why like if you hit your shin bone and it hurts, it's not because the bone's hurting, it's because there's so many nerves in the fascia, and that's what you're that's what you're injuring. So um there is uh um big sheets of it throughout the body that are thick um tendinous type sheets, like um the IT bands, uh, these big uh spans of fascia on the outsides of our thighs. Um, we have uh thick fascia in the abdomen uh binding all of the three layers of the abdominal muscles together, and then big thick uh area of it in the low back that helps to bind uh or or um uh anchor the uh the big cable muscles uh in your back. So it's ever present everywhere.

SPEAKER_00: 6:06

Um it makes it is it is it there for structure to keep us structurally sound, if you like?

SPEAKER_01: 6:14

Yeah, um it is there for structure. Um uh it's more than just structure, is what we're finding uh with fascial research these days. And um, in fact, um uh one of the leading researchers in the world on fascia, Dr. Robert Schleipe, was um, I did a uh uh a video uh uh sort of class with him last April, and uh study that he had just finished uh was finding that the fascia um has 250 million nerve endings in it. Therefore, considering that the largest sensory organ of the body, um, and therefore um also wanting to because fascia is um head to toe, back to front, uh one complete unit from the outside of it to to the cellular level, um uh there's a push on um in some uh areas to call fascia the largest organ of the body as opposed to the skin.

SPEAKER_00: 7:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 7:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 7:12

So is it does it have stretch to it, or is it because I always imagine if it's structural that it's quite um you know, it's almost like tight. It hasn't got it hasn't got any elasticity. But is that wrong?

SPEAKER_01: 7:30

No, the um um that's uh that's partially correct. So um the the muscle tissue itself has uh a lot more elastin, um, that elastic quality and than it does collagen, which is um, you know, that structure. But uh fascia itself is more collagen than it is elastin. Um and so uh it's a this is how this is how we work. We can't have the muscle without the fascia. We can't have our organs without the fascia. Nothing in the body would hold up. It's funny, I I uh when I was back in Calgary years ago, um uh my wife uh likes a good yard sale. So we were out uh and I found this uh book uh called Connective Tissue Massage uh from 1956. It was written by two doctors. I don't know where it's gone, but I think somewhere in the in in in in the libraries of uh my closets. But the uh um these two doctors were theorizing even back then that if you took the bones out of the body, uh the body would still retain it its structural shape for the most part. And that's we'd be sagged, but we'd still have yeah, because of the integrity of the fascia. Now, fascia uh at its uh you know microscopic level is um these small tubules um filled with uh a watery gel, a matrix uh with proteins and collagen and fibroblasts and all kinds of different things. Um and uh we're looking at how it affects um many different systems at this point, um, not just a structural system, but it does handle internal and external pressures for sure.

SPEAKER_00: 9:14

Yeah. So um so you promote like a light touch therapy, don't you? So what why why has that come about rather than the normal massage?

SPEAKER_01: 9:30

So um so myofascial release, there are different groups of of how people approach it. And uh some it's more of an aggressive technique, um, where you're uh basically kind of forcing into the body, um, you know, basically imposing your will as to what you think needs to happen to that area. Um for uh those of us who do a light touch, it's a matter of putting your hands on the body, you know, already understanding that, you know, you need to bring a strong intention to what you're doing. Hopefully any therapist is doing that. But as you put your hands onto the body and you um basically um sort of sink in and sink down until you intuitively feel like it doesn't want to let you in any further, then that's your downward uh barrier. And then you push away your hand away from um where you are, um, you know, opposite of uh of uh of you, and then it'll find another barrier of tension, sometimes almost immediately if you're very tight. And um then we wait, um, and we allow the nervous system to catch up to this low-level pressure that is being put into the system. And you know, uh, we've long talked about the piezoelectric effect of fascia and how uh it converts pressure into energy. Um and um and recently as of uh 2021, um uh uh trying to think of the two uh uh scientists in in Europe who are awarded the um Nobel Prize for uh uh science um for finding nerve endings uh or finding new receptor sites in the nerve endings that uh reflect pressure. Um so really you have a you have a system that's already embedded into the nervous system. Um and uh now we know that there are sites on the uh individual nerves that will receive that pressure tension and then convert that into uh a release or or energy or movement, however you want to call it. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 11:48

So and I think you put pressure, very gentle pressure, on the fascia and eventually it will relax.

SPEAKER_01: 11:57

It will it will ease. Uh uh. The scientific term is is called a creep. Right. So you will you will feel a movement under the hand. Um and then you follow that movement in the direction that it wants to go, because um, again, understanding that the body is intelligent itself and knowing what it needs to help, you're basically you're just helping the body move through uh um how it wants to open up, as opposed to imposing your will as to I need this area to open, therefore I need to push through these barriers and and try to get this release this way, which which certainly doesn't work with people that I work with, uh, which is more of the chronic pain group.

SPEAKER_00: 12:39

Yeah. So basically you follow the energy.

SPEAKER_01: 12:42

I do.

SPEAKER_00: 12:44

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 12:45

So it's an intuitive therapy. I mean, I think I I I believe that everybody has this ability to feel, and um um, and uh, although there are a lot of naysayers out there, it's just um, you know, I teach as well. So one of the things that that I do as a therapist, and you know, when I'm talking about how to get this touchdown, Pat, um, I said, don't think of it, don't let your left brain run with the fact that uh the word intuitive is involved because you're intuitive on a regular basis and you're just not calling it that. And you don't understand uh maybe the circumstances that you're using it in. But I said, have you ever tried to rearrange your living room? Um, you know, you decide one day, you go in and you say, No, I want to, I want to make a change, I need to make a change, and you make that change and energetically it feels horrible. Now, how can your logical brain go, well, I mean, the chair is there now, now it's over here. The the couch was there, now it's over here. Big deal. But you're feeling it on an intuitive basis that this isn't the right setup. I need to switch this over here and this over here. It's almost like you're feeling a flow and then it becomes disjointed and it's affecting you.

SPEAKER_02: 13:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 13:59

So it's as simple as that. And I don't think enough people understand that they're using it all the time.

SPEAKER_00: 14:05

Yeah. But it's very big in um energy healing, isn't it? Because I teach Reiki, you know, I do feeta healing, I do past life regression, and intention is so important. Setting your intention and following the energy. So it's nice to hear you saying we follow the energy, even though it's in the physical sort of thing, whereas we're doing it in the energetic. But I think that's really interesting.

SPEAKER_01: 14:32

It's the physical, it's yeah, it's all kind of I'm treating the entire person, right?

SPEAKER_00: 14:36

Yeah, I love that. So it's the whole, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01: 14:39

It's most people who come in to see me, they are um well, let's say they've probably seen other therapists already, and when they finally get a referral to me and uh they've kind of plateaued in their healing, and what I'll do is uh they come in for an hour and a half, and I've got a lot of questions to ask them. And a lot of it has to do with um past trauma, present trauma. Um, what have they dealt with, what haven't they dealt with? Um, I mean, if you have somebody who's going to work five days a week and they absolutely hate it, or maybe they've been in a couple car accidents and and the two-hour commute in and out of the city every day is is killing them. Yeah, you're not gonna get better, right? You have to address all of the the person as opposed to so if you have childhood uh things that have happened to you and everybody's had you know stuff happen, right? Yeah, um, and if and if you haven't addressed it, then it's still and it's still present, then maybe I'm not the person you need to see right now. Um uh maybe you need to see somebody else. Uh, and I certainly have a wide um network of uh of people that I send uh my patients to, uh, whether it's nutritional uh needs, uh um I'll I'll send them off to medicine if they need pain relief or or sleep aids or something like that because natural methods aren't working. And you know, we need to get the body and and it's all about short-term usage, right? This isn't about getting getting hooked on opioids. This is about you know, you know, working with the medical community to to help somebody. And all of these are great points of education for the patient. And I find that if the patient becomes educated, then they are much more receptive to the work that gets done. So that's kind of how I operate.

SPEAKER_00: 16:28

Yeah, no, I'm absolutely on board. Um, I'm always talking about, and I come from a slightly different tangent to you, but absolutely that it's all connected, and we have to look at all of it the physical, the energetic, the spiritual, the emotional, and and when you don't, you don't get complete relief, basically. You don't get complete balance and and the health. So let me just ask you something else that was coming into my mind. So, you know, when people have surgery, presumably the fascial is cut. So you're going to have um how does it heal? Does it heal just like a muscle? Does it knit back together again? Does it scar? Do you have all of those issues as well?

SPEAKER_01: 17:12

Depending on the depth of the uh of the um or severity, like surgery, yeah, you're gonna have scar tissue replacing the regular tissue. Um, and that's always gonna be that um sort of mix of collagen and whatnot, to the factors that are involved. I mean, healing's such a beautiful thing in the body. It's uh it's a miracle unto itself how uh the body takes care of things. Um and I do have a course on uh scar, scar tissue, uh scar adhesion uh release because the adhesions can reach out and start to create uh uh their own tensions over time. And if they hook up with patterns of fascial tensions you already have, all of a sudden you have symptoms you didn't have, you know, three, four years after your surgery.

SPEAKER_02: 17:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 17:56

Uh or sooner even. So um it's a it yeah, it it really is um an interesting thing. Also, the that fascia, um, you know, it's uh fill fill with that uh watery matrix that I was saying, that watery gel. Um, but if you don't have if you don't have that watery gel to keep those tubes open because there's been damage in the area, then uh they do become bands and they will bind down on the body at about 2,000 pounds per square inch pressure.

SPEAKER_02: 18:28

Wow.

SPEAKER_01: 18:28

So yeah, it's tremendous. And there's a lot of blood vessels and a lot of nerves in the area. So these chemic compression forces can be tremendous over time, and it doesn't follow any, you know, known pathway of, you know, you can do your dermatomal testing and things like that, and myotomes and whatnot, and still not come up with the answer as to why somebody is having the pain they're having.

SPEAKER_00: 18:50

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 18:50

And it's accumulative over time, right? I mean, from in utero up until you had your slip and fall last year, um, that might have been the tipping point for why your body's not healing anymore. Um, you've had too much trauma that has has gone unresolved.

SPEAKER_00: 19:06

Yeah, yeah. It's fascinating. And I know I'm not medical, um, but uh it's not something that people talk about, is it really? You know, we all know we all talk about the skin being the largest organ in the body, and we all talk about muscles and bones, and but very rarely have I heard people talk about um fascial, you know, and that that sort of structure. Maybe I'm in the wrong circles, but but I haven't, it's not a common, I don't think it's a common knowledge almost.

SPEAKER_01: 19:39

Um no, I wouldn't say it's public knowledge. I I wouldn't say it's common. Umfascial releases become a little bit of a buzz term over here in Canada and and and uh definitely in the United States. Uh, but the researchers, the researchers are medical, uh, most of them. I shouldn't say all of them, because there are researchers from every background, Cairo, physio, et cetera. But um the majority are, you know, physiotrists uh from different parts of the world who are um very excited about uh about the findings that they're coming up with. Um you know, when I talk to therapists now, I said, you know, few the future is fascial. Uh then the more we know about it, the more we understand that it's an intricate part of every function that we do. I was doing um a cadaver dissection course in uh Boulder with uh um one of the leading fascial researchers in America, uh Tom Myers. And um, you know, uh there were fresh cadavers and you had to learn to use a hemostat and a scalpel. And when you have the skin off the body, it's just one blended unit, which is how I've always treated people, but of course, not just the physical, right? But it's um, you know, if if you could if I could have seen that before I learned my anatomy, I would have gone, oh, this is a one functional unit um that works together um simultaneously all the time. Not, you know, this muscle does this, and then another muscle brings it down, and you know, it's so much more than that. And uh it's a it's an absolutely beautiful thing to uh to witness and uh to look at. And it's been a very rewarding career for me.

SPEAKER_00: 21:30

Yeah, it's fascinating. But I think you're right. I think we just don't, we really still don't understand enough about um the body structure and how that interconnects with energy. And um, do you see this becoming do you think see this as something that's gonna get bigger? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 21:49

This yeah, it's gonna well, like I said, mainstream medical may not be completely on board with this yet, but um uh it's medical researchers that are leading the way. It's only a matter of time before um you know there's a tipping point, and we uh fascia is on everybody's mind. You know, how's my fascia? How's the health of my fascia? We know that as your fascia, as we age, we dry up, you know, past the age of 40, we're starting to get drier and drier, and we we need and and and movement is the enemy of the body, or sorry, I should say uh lack of movement is the enemy of the body because it creates a viscosity between the fascial layers that creates a stiffness, that creates a pattern of tension, that creates uh so what happens over time, like and and that's true with the posture of your job, you know. If you're if you're at a desk all day, and and we're also dealing with the brain with this, because if you're at a desk all day and you're hunched over, as soon as you sit in that task chair, your brain goes, Oh, the task chair, let's tighten up. Yes, this is who we are when we're in the task chair, this is who we are when we are, you know, etc. And so there are different elements to the body and and and the nervous system that I've been working with uh for many years. And that's why I've developed the courses that I have. Uh one of them is pelvic rebalancing, because if your pelvis is off, everything's off. Everything above it, it's the foundation. So if your foundation's off, just think about a house. The foundation's off, everything's off.

SPEAKER_02: 23:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 23:28

And and so you and if you try to exercise or or be healthy and in and and good for your for doing it, but if your pelvis is off, um, you're gonna increase that imbalance over time, and event eventually you'll have symptoms or injury, yeah, right, depending on the level of uh of uh exercise that you do.

SPEAKER_00: 23:49

So you do um you uh teach courses for healthcare professionals, and you do whiplash, you do your pelvic rebalancing, your scar adhesion, and TMJ dysfunction. What's TMJ dysfunction?

SPEAKER_01: 24:05

Um temporal mandibular joint, which is your jaw joint. So yeah, yeah, a lot of people grind their teeth. And here's one of the here's one of the things that when I'm talking to people who do have um uh temporal mandibular dysfunction, it's it it it what we what I need to do is get to the root of it. And uh so have you had neck injuries or um uh have you so we go through you know the basics of of what your uh past trauma has been. Yeah, but then I want to talk to them about their mental and emotional trauma as well. Uh because you know, um Dr. Peter Levine, uh the great uh uh well, I guess he's got his PhD in physics, biology, and uh, and uh what else, psychology. So anyway, he's the first person to coin the phrase PTSD, from what I understand. And um, so he's been looking at how the nervous system has imprinted uh trauma into the tissue of the body for for decades. And he and his group that that work at a Boulder, Colorado, Besser Vandercock, you know, um, uh the body keeps the score, et cetera, et cetera. There are so many books out there to talk about, um, and great teachers talking about how um your experiences get laid down into the tissue. So um one of the questions I ask uh people with uh temporal mandibular issues are, you know, do you grind your teeth at night? And how long have you been doing that? Do you know why you grind your teeth at night? And it's usually um, yes, I grind, no. I well, I've been doing it probably since I was, you know, this age. And can we trace that back to any time where your anxiety increased at that point in your life? And then we need to look at, because if you're grinding your teeth at night, it's really hard to figure out how we're gonna, how we're gonna get that to stop. So psychotherapy is a really good place, or psychology or you know, whatever the disciplines are, you know, whatever counselor you can find to start to talk about something or EMDR, which can bring up stuff that you know is latent in the body that you wouldn't have come up with yourself. Uh there's a lot of really good people doing some really good work. I'm just a Lincoln in the chain, right? I I see what I see.

SPEAKER_00: 26:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 26:35

Right? I see what I see. And uh, and and and um for my part, I'll do what I can. Um and uh I've had really good successes, except, you know, I have to also understand that in my interview, I'm like, well, I gotta flag this person because they either need a naturopath or a nutritionist, uh, because you know, drinking six diet cokes a day and what they think is nutrition and what I think is nutrition may be different. Maybe it's um maybe it's getting meds uh for that sleep you're not getting. And maybe it's uh dealing with your past trauma from, you know, uh somebody in the family that uh did harm to you. You know, it's yeah, it's really complex.

SPEAKER_02: 28:12

You can't escape your past.

SPEAKER_00: 28:14

No, it is very complex.

SPEAKER_01: 28:16

It's complex and and and yet it gives me the opportunity to to educate them as to um and and get them to wrap their brains around why we're doing what we're doing and why I'm asking the questions I am and and where that leads to. So a lot of patients will say, you know, no one's ever asked me that before. Um and then they'll say, when I explain it, I'll they'll say, Well, how come no one's ever asked me that before? Yeah, and usually it's because it's a myopic uh tendency to, well, we got to fix the shoulder. Well, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, right? Yeah, and and it's got your shoulder maybe the tip of the iceberg to a lot more that's going on in in in your body. Because if it's if your body's not healing and it's a self-correcting mechanism, um, then mentally, emotionally, physically, we you have to look at the whole picture and and and the well-being of the person. So that's that's where I start right there.

SPEAKER_00: 29:16

Yeah. Fascinating. It it reminds me though, as well, because um when we did when I I'm a past life regression therapist, so when we did the training, um we also did like um movement training, so that if people were in a past life regression, and sometimes they would get into the position that they were in what they're seeing in their heads about how they died in that lifetime, and to feel an immediate release, they would feel energy coming out of their body that had obviously been stored in there and was in memory. And I experienced that because we had to be the client in it, and I experienced it once, and it was it was fascinating. It was like there's energy that had a pattern to it, and it must have been old energy, emotional energy that was just being released. That sort of when it when you sort of put in past life energy as well, that sort of almost elongates the area that we we think of as a whole, if you see what I mean. It's very complex working with the body. Body energy and I think there's a lot we don't know.

SPEAKER_01: 30:35

Oh, a hundred percent. I mean, part of the work that I do that I've been trained in is uh emotional release work and uh doing it through the body and the fascia, where the fascia stores some of these traumas. And uh I've had patients who have had you know events come up that um they say, Well, that didn't happen to me. And all I can say is, well, maybe not in this lifetime.

SPEAKER_00: 30:57

But um it's your muscles have held on to it, or your body has got it some from somewhere, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 31:04

Or or it's in your field, right? Yeah, so and that's that's probably a uh that's probably an hour conversation. But but the idea is that we do hold on to this stuff, and sorry, uh my uh my wife might be home because the dog's freaking out, but anyway. Um but um but yeah, so there's a lot more like we are so much more dynamic and complex than than people have allowed us to believe that we are. Um most people want to fit us into a box, and a human being can't be fit into a box. We're we're far more dynamic. Yeah, and um, and I think if I can educate people on you know my level of understanding and knowledge, and you know, uh, like I said, I've been doing this, I've got probably got about you know, over 30,000 hours of uh of of working with people on this. Um these are my experiences. I mean, you can poo-poo them all you want, it doesn't matter. Um they are what they are, and uh I don't shy away from talking about it because I think we all we have to, don't we?

SPEAKER_00: 32:16

We have to because it just plants a seed with people, and also if people are in chronic pain and they come to you and they find relief, then you know that's the start, isn't it? That's the well, I don't know what happened, but actually I'm I've got no pain, so something happened, and you know that that like you say, you educate people, don't you? So let me let me just ask you one more question. About the aging, me getting on. How do I keep my facial healthy? How do we keep how do we stop it, you know, toughening up and stiffening up? Is that a great question? Or is there more to it than that?

SPEAKER_01: 32:57

Yeah, exercise. And you know, I was doing a podcast a couple of weeks ago uh with a psychotherapist sorry, a psychotherapist in um in California, and she just said, Do you have for my listeners, do you have uh videos of fascial stretching or things like that? I'm like, you know what? I I've been asked about that for about two years now, and I haven't gotten on it. So I promised her I'd get it on it, get on it. So What I'll do is uh I'll let you know when I uh get those fascial videos up. So Yeah, definitely. It's it it really is about movement. I mean, health as we age is about it's about nutrition and and and and um uh what you you know, a lot of uh water intake, et cetera. But uh we really need to move. We really need to move. And um we need to go see people when we start hurting. Because again, that could be the tip of the iceberg of something that was already going on for a long time and you just didn't notice it. It's not like the fascia, just you do something, the fascia just grabs and goes, Oh, you gotta you gotta deal with this. It's a slow creeper, it happens over time. Yeah, it's the accumulative trauma. This could start in utero, right? Um birth. I mean, that's our first trauma for most people. Um and and and then we go on from there, you know. Um, and um, and let's not talk. Well, we could talk about the traumas of uh, you know, uh gee, you know, uh there's really good studies being that that have been done in the last couple of years out of the United States, um, and other places as well, about uh birth trauma, especially forceps uh delivery or um or um uh suction, uh creating uh uh trauma to the child, uh uh brain trauma, and then uh developing um that they're more than likely to develop ADHD. Um and and um, you know, if you grew up with ADHD like I did, um it took my mom two days to birth me, um way back in the 60s. So there wasn't there wasn't her doctor just pulled the cot up beside her and and uh helped her out as best she could. She was postpartum pretty badly and gave me to my grandparents for the first six months of my life because she just couldn't, right? And and uh God bless her, like wow. And and but for me, I didn't know about my ADHD till three years ago, till a friend of mine who's a psychologist um uh put me through the testing and my family had to be part of it and et cetera, et cetera. Then I came away going, well, with an 85th percentile that I that I check out. Um and um if I'm not interested in something or if it's not holding my grip, I'll just leave. And uh so how much of a struggle was that for me mentally going through school? And and you know, if I got assigned a book in English class that I wasn't really interested in, I had to read each page three times before I move on. And and or or I read a few pages and then go, what? And then have to go back to remember who was who with the name. And um, it was a real struggle, but nobody called it anything. You just got through it, you suffered, and and then I realized how anxious and depressed I was as a when I was younger too. So uh I'm glad I got the diagnosis, not not so I can point a finger at things, it's just a matter of saying that makes sense now.

SPEAKER_00: 36:36

Yeah, and you understand what was happening now, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 36:39

Yeah, and I can identify with people. So the struggles that we have chronically don't always have to be a physical thing. No, you know, we we we we carry a lot, and then you know, in in our country we talk about the uh generational trauma of the indigenous that they've had to endure, and it's trauma is is what we need to look at more seriously, but the role that fascia has in in in healing and and and how it plays a role in in that trauma and uh the release of emotion and the release of of physical patterns of tension and things like that, that can be from the everyday person to a chronic pain person to people who have suffered worse, worse and and generationally.

SPEAKER_00: 37:24

So yeah, fascinating. Well, you've obviously found your passion with the work that you do, you can hear that. So um, thank you ever so much for talking to us. It's been fascinating. I am going to do more movement if decided.

SPEAKER_01: 37:41

Movement, and I'll put those stretching videos up uh in the next few weeks. I'm gonna create a YouTube channel and I'm gonna start putting stuff out there. So uh I've been too busy doing, you know, creating courses for therapists and and and and I work full time. So um, you know, I gotta split myself in two. Do you have an energy technique for that?

SPEAKER_00: 38:02

Because not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Okay. I might have to work on that one. Yeah, definitely. Uh well, thank you so much. I will put all your details up underneath the episode. So um, thank you, Peter. Thank you very much for supporting the podcast.

SPEAKER_01: 38:21

Oh, absolutely. It's wonderful talking to you. This was this was a great experience. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00: 38:26

Oh, it's a pleasure. So uh thank you for listening to uh having a chat. And um, you can always support and subscribe the podcast, and um I'll talk to you all soon.