Albert Einstein’s Fifth Force And The Path To Peace with Barbara With

What if compassion isn’t only an emotion but the creative intelligence behind how reality takes shape? We sit down with returning guest Barbara With—co‑founder of Conflict Revolution, award‑winning author, peace activist, and long‑time psychic channel—to map a surprising model of the universe and a very practical path to inner and outer peace. Drawing on decades of channelling Albert Einstein, Barbara shares a redefinition of compassion as a “fifth force” that organises the other fundamental forces, compiles the “math” of your life at the Earth’s core, aligns you to true north, and carries a deep memory of oneness.

From there, we follow the gravitational wave that projects our programming to the surface “lens” where bodies and time appear, then cycles back like a spinning string. That might sound cosmic, yet the application is refreshingly everyday: emotion fuels manifestation, intuition speaks as sound, and intellect is the executor that can either cooperate or block the next wise step. When intellect says no to intuition, conflict blooms. When intellect serves intuition, coherence spreads through choices large and small—rest when asked, speak when needed, decline what drains, and watch reality respond.

Barbara brings the framework down to ground with Conflict Revolution, a method for transforming friction without projection. Name the pattern, find its mirror inside, make amends where it belongs, and let the outer shape change. We talk about sound and vibration as tools for clarity, how to hold presence in hot moments, and why micro‑level alignment can scale to cultural and even global peace. Along the way, we touch on afterlife insights, the Earth as a living field, and the discipline of trusting your first true signal.

If you’re curious about blending spirituality with practical psychology, or you’re ready to trade reactivity for reliable inner guidance, this conversation offers a clear map and compassionate tools. Listen, reflect, and try one aligned action today—then tell us what shifted. Subscribe, share with a friend who needs it, and leave a review to help others find the show.

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Chapters

• 4:58 Returning Guest And Today’s Focus
• 7:48 Einstein’s Redefinition Of Compassion
• 12:08 The Fifth Force And How It Works
• 16:48 Circular Domains And True North
• 21:48 The Lens, Projection, And Time
• 27:03 Emotion, Intuition, Intellect Operating System
• 31:33 Aligning With Intuition In Daily Life
• 36:03 Sound, Vibration, And Form
• 40:23 Einstein’s Afterlife Agenda And Peace

Transcript

SPEAKER_00: 2:30

So, welcome everybody to another episode of Barm to the Soul. I'm your host, Natasha Joy Price, and I'm a lawyer, I'm an energy healer, I'm an author, and of course, I'm a podcaster. And today we have a returning guest, which always warms my soul that somebody wants to come back on. So that's amazing. And her name is Barbara Wibb. So thank you, Barbara, for coming back on and supporting the podcast.

SPEAKER_01: 2:57

Oh, my pleasure. My pleasure. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_00: 3:00

Oh no, it's wonderful. So go back and listen to our first episode with Barbara because what we're going to talk about a specific thing tonight, today, and that is about compassion. But let me just tell you what Barbara is about. So Barbara is the co-founder of Conflict Revolution. She's an award-winning author. She's an international peace activist, and she's a psychic channel with over 38 years of experience in intuitive arts. And one of her books is called Imagining Einstein: Essays on M Theory, World Peace, and the Science of Compassion. And last time we spoke, I was just fascinated with this concept of compassion. But he has redefined it, hasn't it? He it's not just the emotion, I shouldn't say just either, it's not the emotion that most people would think. If you talk to them about compassion, they think of the emotion, which is the empathy and having motivation to do something about that. That's the definition of compassion. But this is different, isn't it? And that's and I just qu just point out that you channel Albert Einstein, don't you? You channel his words and his ideas. And this is his sort of latest definition of compassion. Since his death, if you like, since he passed from this plane to another dimension. Um, so yes, talk to us about Albert Einstein and compassion.

SPEAKER_01: 4:46

First, I think that when he actually passed, he brought with him into the afterlife this huge, huge passion for two things: ending war, yeah, and and a unified field.

SPEAKER_00: 5:01

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 5:01

So from afterlife, he got to see it all. Then he had to figure out how to get it back, found his way to me. Not a scientist, not a student of science, I'm a musician, etc. So when I did that book that you mentioned in 2005, it was the 100-year anniversary of Equals MC Squared. And I kind of just approached it like, hey, it's Albert Einstein. You know, if you could talk to Albert Einstein, wouldn't you? And what would he say? I don't know. I didn't have any preconceived ideas. So when he started to deliver through me this unified field theory that has since been presented to the scientists quite successfully, but back 20 years ago when I was doing it, and I was not a student of physics, no, he re-he he took the word compassion and said, I'm gonna redefine this, completely redefine it, and it's based on what he calls the fifth fundamental force of the universe. Okay, and what that means is in real in real science, not my imagined science, um, there's four fundamental forces electromagnetics, and and each of them has a thing that they do to impel the creation of the physical world. So electromagnetics sort of um ignites things, right? Right. Gravity is the second one, and it guides things. Then there's something called the strong nuclear force, I guess, you know, for lack of a better name. And that's the force that makes things repel and attract. Okay. And then there's the weak nuclear force, and that makes things transform, like from one to two, from red to green. So apparently, in real science, these four fundamental forces are the basis of what creates matter. What Einstein said was compassion with a capital C is the fifth fundamental force. It is the creative intelligence that uses the other four fundamental forces to impel the creation of the physical world one step at a time. So if anything, it's like a God energy.

SPEAKER_00: 7:24

Yes, it has the intelligence, it it's this all-knowing which is what you talk about when you talk about spirit or or God or whatever you want to call it.

SPEAKER_01: 7:37

Our higher selves or whatever. So, and how he explained that scientifically was just like um electromagnetics has an uh an influence on energy, like it ignites something, or this makes compassion he based on the root of compass. Okay, and you know, in real life, he was that was his entryway into physics when he was a very small child, was he got a compass and it just sparked his whole creation. But what he said was compassion as this fifth fundamental force has three things that it does to energy to work to make it create life. And the first one is based on a compass, you know, there's a compass that draws circles in the old days.

SPEAKER_00: 8:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 8:30

And he says the first thing that compassion does is it impels energy to step out of nothing and into everything, and it creates what he calls a circular membrane domain, like it draws a circle around all of the math that's gonna be you. So you you have, and he calls it a compilation of consciousness, it's a compiling of your consciousness in one particle. So that's the first thing compassion does, it creates this particle that you know uh uh surrounds all of the math you need to eventually be sitting in that chair, right?

SPEAKER_00: 9:14

So it's like your essence is it it sort of creates a bubble or a membrane around the energy that's your essence.

SPEAKER_01: 9:24

Yes, that's going to be, you know, everything of the your chair, your desk, yeah, the whole world. And if you get farther in superimposed over that, are uh these other lives, these other timelines are also in this compilation mathematically.

SPEAKER_00: 9:41

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 9:43

So, but because you're programmed to be Natasha in the UK in 2025, there's other programming for those other timelines coming out of your compilation that has a different DNA space-time body in a different DNA, and then different space-time.

SPEAKER_00: 10:05

But that's in there that compilation that it uses, which is why we can access them all, presumably.

SPEAKER_01: 10:12

Yes, yes, okay exactly. So so that's the first thing compassion does, it creates this. The second thing it does is because the source, he says, is actually in the center of the planet. So these compilations are all in the center of the earth. That's where we begin.

SPEAKER_00: 10:32

Wow, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 10:33

And the second thing compassion does, it like a compass that goes to true north. Yes, it aligns all of these compilations, which are exactly the same structure as the planet Earth. You know, there's electromagnetic field, and it's kind of this matrix. It aligns them all to true north so that we're all on the same map.

SPEAKER_00: 10:58

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 11:00

So now we have all of everything we need in our compilation, and we're aligned to true north. And the third thing that it does is it sort of infuses this with the knowledge that we really are one entity. So there's like every every part of the entity is part of one entity. So there's that in entrapment, or what they call it in science. Um I can't remember the word, but anyway, so we we are all connected, we're all one, we're all working together in this beyond words, right? You can't describe the mechanism that is creation.

SPEAKER_00: 11:45

No, okay. So it creates so it creates. So what happens if it if we're not all true north? What what presumably we can't get away from that dynamic power of compassion?

SPEAKER_01: 12:01

Yes, that is that is correct.

SPEAKER_00: 12:04

Right, okay. So we will always be, he it will always put all of our all of our energy true north.

SPEAKER_01: 12:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 12:13

Yes, okay. And then what was the third thing again? You can tell I'm not a physicist, I but can't be.

SPEAKER_01: 12:20

This isn't even physics, you know. This is just this is just my imagined Einstein telling me stuff, you know. It's like, oh gosh. Um, the third thing is that uh the energy uh it imbues us with this intrinsic knowledge that we are one organism, no matter how many parts separate, we're all one organism. And that's probably closer to the classical idea of compassion.

SPEAKER_00: 12:48

Yes, because when I was looking it up, um a lot of the definitions talk about um, you know, understanding that we're not separated and that we are all connected with life and you know, embrace nature and and we are all part of the earth as well. So it's it's all it's almost like we're like a hologram. Yes. Every part every one of us has the earth within us, has Gaia within us, if you like.

SPEAKER_01: 13:20

Yes, and we are in Gaia.

SPEAKER_00: 13:22

Yes, and that's when people talk about the universe being within you, presumably that's what he's talking about.

SPEAKER_01: 13:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 13:32

So how do we use this? How is this compassion used to manifest? How does this create the life that we create?

SPEAKER_01: 13:43

Well, um, if we went on to show you the map, you know, from the center of the planet, here's your compilation of consciousness, and there's a gravitational wave that runs from your compilation to the surface of the planet that creates what we call the lens. So that's where the hologram manifests, right? This is the simulation, right? Yeah. So your your compilation, this gravitational wave is like a projector, so it's projecting all of that programming, that magnificent God programming, into this lens on the surface of the planet. And that's where time is, right? In space, time and space, and our bodies, and and our bodies are projecting it all and then perceiving it back. But the gravitational wave continues out of the lens on the surface of the planet, out to the edge of the Earth's electromagnetic field, right? And it flows back up through the north pole, back down into the center of the planet to begin again. And this is the string, the spinning string that string theorists have been speaking of. And it spins, yeah, it spins at the speed of light squared, and that's what that's that sort of, you know how they used to say um there's an analogy about like a projector, yes, projecting stills with space between so there's this projector thing, and that's what is fueling that projection is this incredible gravitational wave that's emanating from our source, from our compilation.

SPEAKER_00: 15:23

So can we change what we manifest? Absolutely. Yes. But how do we change that then?

SPEAKER_01: 15:30

Well, and that's that is the wonder of conflict revolution and this unified field theory is of course there's certain things that you really have to be shamanic to change, you know, sort of that Don Juan Carlos Castanata level of shape shifting.

SPEAKER_00: 15:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 15:46

Uh, because there are certain things we are just come in here with, you know, I'm a woman, I'm this age, I this is immutable.

SPEAKER_00: 15:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 15:56

But we come with the power to uh maneuver through our lives using our free will to deal with whatever's coming at us. And in that sense, between the compilation of consciousness and the lens, this is the part of the wave. It's the non-physical part of this is where the three human dimensions operate in his operating system.

unknown: 16:24

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 16:25

So it starts with emotion, very close to the source, the fuel of the manifestation, and that moves into sound for the next step, which is intuition, right? So the voice of God within us. And the third dimension is the intellect, and that's where the ego is, and that's where the decisions are actually implemented in the intellect. That's its function, is to when your intuition says turn left, it's not your intuition that's making your hand grab the steering wheel.

SPEAKER_00: 16:59

No, okay.

SPEAKER_01: 17:00

Intellectual function. So the alignment to compassion, as Einstein has taught us, meaning that you're uh basically if you're part of compassion and you have all this programming and it's flowing up through you, and intuition is always going to tell you that next most advantageous step for the good of the whole manifestation, for the good of the whole. And it gets to intellect, and intellect says, No. You know, intuition says, rest, and intellect says, No, I have too many things to do. I can't rest right now, I'll rest next week. And that is the beginning of where the unalignment to compassion is, because if we did what God told us at every moment, we'd have a whole different world.

SPEAKER_00: 17:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 17:48

And he says, This is the root of all manifested conflict in the world, right there, when God says do this, and you say no.

SPEAKER_00: 17:58

So it's our intellect that is the root of the problem, it's our intelligence or our physical mind that is the root of the problem. Because it's interesting, emotions, and then you've got energy, and then you've got almost like the physical, haven't you?

SPEAKER_01: 18:15

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 18:16

Three elements. So really it's the physical that's the issue for us a lot of the time.

SPEAKER_01: 18:23

Well, when what for whatever cruel reason it's designed for intellect to have the power to say no to intuition, yeah, that's that's our that is our mission here. This is our personal lessons, every everything that we're all working to improve upon and expand upon and evolve through is right there. And when you do it, and you know, I don't say this because I think I'm queen of the world or anything. It's just after all of these years, decades of bringing this information through, channeling the information, doing it on myself, for decades and decades and decades, I've gotten to this point where I understand how it is to live in this alignment to compassion. It doesn't mean I do it flawlessly all of the time. No, but I have greatly changed the way that I relate to the world to be far more compassionate, far more in align with what is the next step. And sometimes intuition tells you to go places your intellect really doesn't want to go.

SPEAKER_00: 19:32

Yeah. And that's the hard thing, isn't it? Because you, you know, it we need to make our intuition so much strong that we get a very clear message. Because I think sometimes we question too much, don't we? Well, that's not logical. Well, maybe I'm making that up. Where's that come from? Whereas actually we have to really get it strong and learn to just flow with it.

SPEAKER_01: 19:59

And that's the biggest challenge of life. I don't, I mean, we can't just I would never throw that off, and not that you were, but that is the basic crux of the biscuit of all evolution is how do we trust our intuition, especially in a world today that's so chaotic?

SPEAKER_00: 20:21

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 20:22

And um, I just I've been so blessed to have been through so many resilient lessons about trusting my intuition in times when it really looked like you just shouldn't. Yeah, yes, and I was scared and I, you know, second guess, but did it, and the and the outcome it's just beyond what we can manipulate with our egos to take place.

SPEAKER_00: 21:45

Yeah, fascinating. And you mentioned sound, so the middle, so it's emotion, and then this physical wave is uh a sound, it's a frequency. So sound healing, you know, if we if we should that's a good thing. Does that strengthen everything that we do? I know that's might seem a bit of a weird question, but it just popped into my head when you were talking about sound.

SPEAKER_01: 22:12

Well, you know how um if you put a like sand on a drum head, yeah, and you hit it and it it vibrates into form. Yes, and so basically we're vibrating into form. So we we are that sand on that biz big cosmic drum head. It's just that now we've been given this incredible dimension of intellect, whose real purpose is to if we're if we're aligned to compassion, intellect is supposed to be in present moment, paying attention, and then listening for intuition in order to do what it says. Yeah, but look what it does. I mean, we're distracted, we're tomorrow, we're yesterday, we're last week, we're anywhere but here, because it's you know, being in present moment isn't oh now we're in present moment.

SPEAKER_00: 23:10

No, it means you're wide awake, like for everything, yes, and dynamic, it's a dynamic thing, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01: 23:19

Yes, proactive dynamic force, basically, yes, that we're interacting with and creating in that moment, yeah, yeah, and that alone is like the biggest miracle of all, but our minds talk us right down into I'm not good enough, and oh, he did this, and when who can explain life, you know?

SPEAKER_00: 23:42

So, do you still channel Albert Einstein? Do you still you do? And what does he think about the world today? That what does he think about what is happening or how we're doing, aligning ourselves to compassion? Has he ever spoken to you about that?

SPEAKER_01: 24:02

I think from his perspective and and the rest of the party, uh who's ever hanging around him these days, um, it's uh it's such a whole different perspective that it took them a long time when when I first started working with first they were angels in the 90s. It took them a long time to lay out their vision for us because we had no idea what could they tell us in '93, oh, you're going on a mission that'll expand, you know, that's bigger than you even know. And we were like, What what? What does that even mean? Yes. And so I think his focus is on the evolutionary end of it when he was on the planet, and his last words that of his real life were read in London in July of 1955, and it was basically pleading with world leaders to find peaceful ways to resolve conflicts because no one will live through World War III. Right. So that was his physical, but since he's been in afterlife and all of this enormous amount of work that I'm no, I'm not the only one that talks to him, but I'm probably the only one who's documented his afterlife visions as clearly and succinctly. And also, as I said, I spoke at the I didn't say this, but I spoke at the Science of Consciousness conference last July in Barcelona to all the scientists. And it was vindication for me.

SPEAKER_00: 25:40

And they agreed. They agreed.

SPEAKER_01: 25:41

Well, when I said to the room, you know, that he says that the source is in the center of the earth and it operates like a black hole. Which 20 years ago, when he said that to me, I was like, Are you kidding? I have to go tell people this. I don't know. And like three people jumped up and like pumped their fist, like, yes, that's right. It's a black hole. And I was like, vindication. And then I saw one of the most premier unified field theorists, Nasim Harriman, uh after that. And I don't he, I don't think he saw my presentation, my little 25 minutes, but but it's we're changing energy, we're changing ideas as we put them out. And I saw him on a clip come by talk about how, yep, it's very likely that uh we exist inside of a black hole.

SPEAKER_00: 26:33

Yeah, fascinating, absolutely fascinating.

SPEAKER_01: 26:37

It really is.

SPEAKER_00: 26:38

Yeah, it is. It's it's actually, I mean, not being a physicist, it's almost like um, it's almost hard to take it in because I just don't know enough about the basics of physics. And you must have felt that when he was telling you, like sort of what in what is going on here?

SPEAKER_01: 26:59

Exactly. And you know what laid the groundwork for me was when I started channeling groups in 1993 with Kim and Teresa, we call ourselves a psychic sorority, and then they were angels. But the work that I did with those angels, which is my first book, Diaries of a Psychic Sorority, and channeling these groups, and what came forth and what Kim and Teresa and I did together as far as the research, not just listening in a room, but then taking those ideas and putting them uh, and one of the things the angel said was we have this way that we think if humans would resolve conflicts first, the byproduct will be world peace. But we need some humans to test our theory on, and that was the beginning of conflict revolution, yes. So I think for Einstein, like all of this is has been advancing his afterlife agenda all across the world, and I am quite sure he works with many, many, many people on the planet. He used to say he wasn't gonna reincarnate because he could be like gravity in afterlife, he could be everywhere at once.

SPEAKER_00: 28:14

Yes, which he would love, wouldn't he? Absolutely. So when I first read about what you did, Barbara, the the the channeling of Albert Einstein didn't seem to match the peace, peace activists, but actually they're completely combined, aren't they? Because if we become aligned to compassion, then and enough people are in that state, we are, you know, you make a measurable effect on the world's energetic field, and that creates shifts and hopefully a different way of thinking and and peace.

SPEAKER_01: 28:56

Yes, and if you start on the microcosm, which is when we we we when we started doing this process and finding out how miraculous it was that when we stopped and instead of projecting during a conflict onto someone else, it's like an energy weapon. You know, you have anger, then you have this definition that this person did something, and it's like, you know, we don't even know just from that way of living, where because we all project. I mean, it's brought that way. So when you don't do that, and you start to see on a very microcosm level how things shift. For example, I had a conflict, we always name our conflicts. It was called the drunken marketing manager. And um, she used to give me her work to do, and then she'd criticize me for it. Well, I wasn't even working for her, I was working for someone else, but I did it anyway. Anyway, so it took me a couple of weeks of working this sound bite about okay, here's what she's doing to me. Where do I do? I don't do that. No, it's and finally I went to Teresa and I said, Here's my sound bite. Where do you think this is? She immediately pointed me over here to something with my husband.

SPEAKER_00: 30:10

Right.

SPEAKER_01: 30:11

And when I went there and realized, because I had my aha moment, like, oh my God, that's exactly what I did. And I could go to him and I could make amends to him and have a bit. And when I went back to work the next day, she was fired. Now I didn't do the work to get her fired. No, but those are the kinds of coincidences and shifts in manifestation that happen when we don't do all that projecting and engaging, and we pull in, and in conflict or reluction, we teach you like a whole new relationship to emotion.

SPEAKER_00: 30:48

So it's almost like you instantly saw the reflection of how you were behaving in another part of your life. And when you get that connection, it just disappears.

SPEAKER_01: 31:02

Well, yes, I think so.

SPEAKER_00: 31:03

There's a failure and it disappears. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 31:06

You stuck, you have that aha moment.

SPEAKER_00: 31:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 31:09

And then something shifts. It's like he said in real life, you can't resolve the conflicts at the level that they're being created.

SPEAKER_00: 31:17

No.

SPEAKER_01: 31:18

We have to resolve them here first, and then it will naturally change. And this is the story. This is the story my life is the biggest lab rat, I guess, in his in his experiments through my life. Um, I have gotten to this place where that's that, and it's certainly not that I'm perfect, but I seem to have developed this ability to see the reflection so instantly that it inspires a I'm gonna almost say a non-response in in in conflicts. Like there's times where you need to stand up and articulate and honor yourself. And there's other times where we just want to be right.

SPEAKER_00: 32:01

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 32:02

Because we got emotional charge, and no, we want to do it. So I've been noticing lately, the past six months, how I have this ability to just be in the heavy emotion of it, whatever the trigger is, see the thing instantly. There's almost like a flip, flip, flip, flip, flip back to, you know, over here. And then I'm still engaged. And I've had some really intense responses from people, you know, just because we do like we fight as humans, it's not a big deal. But the way that I've responded to them just completely right there, but not triggered into response, it's really to me, it's a higher functioning evolutionary step from for my own personal system that I've been working at for a long time.

SPEAKER_00: 32:53

And the way that you do that is gonna shift the situation far better than if you started shouting back at them or whatever the the scenario is.

SPEAKER_01: 33:03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 33:04

Amazing. I love that. I think what the experience that you've had with Albert Einstein channeling his work, sort of you know, having to understand it enough to write it down and like then looking at it, and it's just fascinating and must. have created it's just must have created a massive shift in you just by because energy is energy isn't it just by connecting to his energy must be a huge healing if you want for a better term or shifting uh situation in itself I think it was the healing of my life I think in the grand design of my traumatic life that this was always meant to be something that I was a research person to test his theories um and I think that it's it it was very very difficult.

SPEAKER_01: 34:07

I don't want to put forth this idea that you know I woke up one day and said hey it took a lot of years and if I'm a very very healthy person but if I have a health issue it's mental health yes and so not just because of my traumatic upbringing but then kind of the things that does to your mind to be in this situation. It's taken years and years.

SPEAKER_00: 34:32

Yeah yeah well I think it's fascinating I really enjoy talking to you Barbara it's just I mean channeling I find fascinating in itself um but you know having that information come through that you then got you know the scientists who are able to say yeah that's all correct and not being a physical you know it's all as they say you couldn't write that could you no you couldn't make that up that that's just it's very true I couldn't I couldn't have thought it up even if and that is my morning prayer. Thank you for another day of the most amazing life that I could have ever dreamt of yeah just fascinating well thank you so much thank you th so much for explaining compassion to us I'm I probably have to listen to that all again to get my head around it because I am not a physicist um and I'll have to read the book. I've been reading Party of Twelve which I'm thoroughly enjoying oh good good yeah it that's fascinating and if the listeners uh start reading that as well because it is just fascinating to to think that they get together that they are still conscious energy if you like they still have the mannerisms the personality that they had before and that comes across and they can talk to each other and you know plan.

SPEAKER_01: 36:09

And it's just I know how does that work yeah and yet you know one of the first the first interview in that book was Princess Die. Yes and one of the things she talked about with were her kids and her kids were very young at the time and she talked about you're gonna see this from Harry and you're gonna see this from William and it's just so fascinating to me that it's kind of played out that way.

SPEAKER_00: 36:32

So yeah and they're able to see what's coming for us which is fascinating in itself so you get a bit of prophecy in that as well don't you? Yeah I'm gonna carry on reading I was saying to Barbara earlier I've been a bit slow to read at night and then my my my physical mind just says that's enough now I can't I can't get my head around it but um I'm gonna persevere and I am and it's an easy read I don't mean that in a it's but it is it's quite easy to read it it's not it's quite different than imagining Einstein.

SPEAKER_01: 37:09

It's more story like people interviews you know like the Barbara Walters of metaphysics yeah but it's but I'm really really enjoying it.

SPEAKER_00: 37:17

So I encourage people to go and read your books.

SPEAKER_01: 37:20

Um and you've got a number of them haven't you I do have about seven of them am I right all together in our library we have seven books. One of them is by Kim she wrote a book called Second Coming Awakening the Christ within because she's the she's she's not a Christian per se but she's a huge student of the Bible has been for decades there's nobody who knows the Bible better than her and she's been interpreting it sort of through this an angelic Einsteinian philosophy. So that's that's really but yes I've got six other ones of my own.

SPEAKER_00: 37:58

Excellent and people I'll put up the websites and people can go and have a look and uh choose the one that they would like to read first. And uh I'd encourage listeners to do that. So thank you Barbara thank you so much for coming on it's been absolutely fascinating and thank you for supporting the podcast.

SPEAKER_01: 38:19

Absolutely thank you.

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