How a Novel Sparks Awakening, Empathy, and a Stage Play with Rocio Aquino and Angel Orengo

What if a novel could soften resistance, invite courage, and nudge a culture toward empathy? We sit down with returning guests Rocio Aquino and Angel Orengo, authors of The Orchid, The Secret Code of Modern Goddesses, to explore how storytelling becomes a practical bridge to healing—especially for people who shut down when advice sounds prescriptive. Their award-nominated book keeps readers turning pages, then quietly cracks open deeper questions about identity, power, and the choice to live from abundance rather than fear.

We unpack the ripple effects they’re seeing in the wild: men reading to understand women and leaving with a gentler stance; a working man moved to tears by a character’s generosity; corporate leaders realising that “feminine” power—presence, receptivity, and care—belongs in boardrooms. We go beyond inspiration and into mechanics, talking through the emotional body, how unprocessed pain drives daily decisions, and why closing old loops makes clarity surge. Along the way, we touch the science of heart–brain coherence, drawing on emerging research that validates what language has held for centuries: when thinking and feeling align, purpose snaps into focus and action becomes lighter, braver, and more precise.

There’s news too. Rocio and Angel are adapting The Orchid for the stage, crafting a two-hour live experience for audiences who might not pick up a book but will gladly lose themselves in theatre. They tease an expanded universe—teachers, backstories, and a long-overdue lens on men’s healing—so relationships can evolve as individuals do. We also witness a raw account of reconciliation across decades, modelling how to speak for a younger self, release blame, and create real closure without theatrics. If institutions feel brittle and inherited beliefs no longer fit, consider this your invitation to follow what resonates, leave the rest, and keep going.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome Back & Book Milestones
• 5:58 Why Fiction Heals
• 10:48 Skepticism, Energy, and Resonance
• 15:58 Men, Masks, and Shared Humanity
• 23:03 Institutions, Awakening, and Looking Within
• 28:03 From Novel to Stage
• 31:33 Sequels and Expanding the Universe
• 35:33 Personal Healing in Real Time
• 42:03 Heart–Brain Coherence and Science
• 48:33 Purpose, Intuition, and Human Potential
• 51:53 Audiobook, Access, and Closing

Transcript

SPEAKER_02: 2:30

So, welcome everybody to another episode of Barn to the Soul. I'm your host, Natasha Joy Price, and I am a lawyer, I'm owner of Dandelion Therapies, I'm an author, and of course, I'm a podcaster. And on this episode, I'm delighted to say we have returning guests, which is always a pleasure to have people want to come back. And today are Rosio Aquino and Angel Orengo. So welcome, welcome back to the podcast. Thank you so much for supporting it.

SPEAKER_00: 3:03

Oh, Natasha, thank you so much for having us. We are delighted to be with you again. It's a pleasure. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02: 3:12

Good. So just to refresh listeners, um, Angel and Rashio are the authors of the Orchid, The Secret Code of Modern Goddesses, um, which I thoroughly enjoyed. And how is that going, guys? Because we spoke six months ago, we worked out, didn't we? So, how is that all going?

SPEAKER_01: 3:33

All the promotion and we let me tell you something incredible. We just are we have an award coming for the best novel.

SPEAKER_00: 3:47

There's um there's a great organization here called the International Latina Book Awards in the United States, and they've nominated the book in five categories. And all we know is we're assured a medal. The question now is which medal and in in in which categories, right? So gold, silver, or bronze, depending on the five categories. So, you know, going back to your question, Natasha, it's it's been wonderful. Oh, the moment that the the moment that you decide that you want to live your life with purpose, helping people, sharing with them the secrets that you've uncovered in your own life, and which are helping you, really just magic begins to happen, miracles begin to appear, and and life is good.

SPEAKER_02: 4:42

Oh good. It's like you're in the flow, aren't you? You're where you should be, and you're flowing with the universe, and and things like awards, which is amazing, arrived.

SPEAKER_01: 4:54

To be honest, is I just stand up in front of somebody who says, Your book, give me the power that I was looking for really change my life. So in that moment, I was feeling really humble.

SPEAKER_02: 5:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 5:16

So it's a mixed feeling of humbleness and happiness for the experience of the other person, because that was the intention since the beginning of doing this. Is Natasha, we discover how we can share this with more people for them to really have a beautiful experience of life. And now that we begin that after one year, we begin to see more and more people saying, you know, now I have a different relationship with myself, with my family, with people around me. And that really, in my personal opinion, is is the purpose of for what reason you are here, and we are making an impact, but helping more people for making an impact in their life, yeah, is a privilege that I I really take it really with with love and humbleness.

SPEAKER_02: 6:28

Yeah, yeah, that's lovely, isn't it? And the I mean obviously it it's helping people with their healing, but it is a novel, isn't it? So it's a story. So you chose a a fictional story, if you like, to help, you know, to resonate with people and perhaps explain the therapies and help them heal. So it in a way it's um it's almost like the ancient storytelling, isn't it? It's like, you know, uh the way that people taught other people by story, not by this is what you have to do, sort of scenario.

SPEAKER_00: 7:09

Well, you know, when we were thinking about the beauty of of oh gosh, it's because we we know so much more now, right? That we're experiencing it in so many different ways through the eyes of so many people. One of the wonderful things is that when we set out to write the book, it wasn't, hey, let's write a book and let's be famous or whatever. It was how do we share this insight with others? But how do we do it in a way that someone would be willing to sit down and listen to the entire spectrum of things that we have to say or we want to say? Because going back to your question, I think it's embedded in there. Normally, when you're sitting down with someone and saying, Well, let me tell you a few things, and people are like, No, thank you. I, you know, I live my my life my own way, and and and and that's how it should be. But the only thing about that is that when we cut people short, we don't get the benefit of their wisdom. Now, you don't have to listen to them, but if you listen to them, you can always choose not to actually do what they're suggesting. But there might just be a little bit of an opportunity there. You're like, oh wow, that actually resonates with me. And I'm gonna think about it. And I believe that that's what storytelling does. Because since it's a story, it puts your guard down.

SPEAKER_02: 8:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 8:38

As you well said, we've been doing this for millennia, probably, right? Telling stories around the fire. And all of a sudden, the because we opted to do it in a novel, people are like, oh, what a wonderful story. I'm just gonna continue. And in the process of continuing, they become embedded in it and they become part of it. And as they become part of it, in our story, there's five women who are experiencing their sort of awakening or transportation. They're starting to see life differently. All of a sudden, you're like, Oh, I'm one of them. And it doesn't matter whether you're a man or a woman, when you read it, you become part of the conversation, and that's why it works.

SPEAKER_02: 9:20

You you can relate to parts of it, can't you? I also think, um, because uh I did a similar thing in my novel, but I I always came up across a lot of people who were completely skeptical about the whole emotion, probably because I'm corporate a lot of the time, but who were completely skeptical about it. And I just thought, and I believe that people can take it, complete skeptics can take it as a story, if that's what they want to do. Um, but I think it also maybe it creates some sort of maybe in the uh in the subconscious as well. For some people, it just triggers them. Maybe they don't relate it to the book, but it just triggers something, and you you are sending out that ripple of healing, whether they're aware of it or not. Um they can take it as a fictional story if that's what they want to do.

SPEAKER_00: 10:17

Let me let me just add something to that. I think it doesn't matter who you are, you who are listening. There's a skeptic inside all of us, and and there's degrees of skepticism, obviously. But it doesn't matter if you find the most skeptics of skeptics. That person, if you ask them, have you ever been in a room and said, Let's get out of here because I don't like the way this is feeling, the situation, how it's how it's evolving. There's something that it makes me very uncomfortable. So, you know, all we say to that is yes, our skepticism is real. There's many reasons for it to exist, but the energy is also real. It is the reason why we leave a room or enter a room and stay and like spending more time with someone more than with somebody else, is the way they make us feel.

SPEAKER_02: 11:03

So and hopefully it triggers people to go and actually do healing and think, well, actually, that's probably I resonate with that part of it. So maybe I need to go and do that. Um, so you really are sending that ripple out, aren't you?

SPEAKER_01: 11:21

Yes, Natasha. Believe me, I grew up in a victimhood household where they didn't know how to remove the emotional uh heaviness that we are carrying. Yeah, we were a professional. Professionals to see the empty glass, professionals and don't believe, you know, and now that I've been experienced more and more opens another world for me, and really my experience of life is richer, is I can achieve anything that I want since I begin to love myself so profoundly, and that's why it's like a we are not talking about privilege, we are talking from a place of we were a couple that we grew up with a really broken households, and in the moment that you begin to experience in the in the real world success and achievement and economic and all that, but then something there is better in the moment that you begin to drop and understand your emotions because then you are creating for a place of abundance and possibility instead of creating from a place of sadness, fear, and lack. So that finally I can tell you right now that I see it, and the healing, the only thing has been happening is growing and growing and growing, even in myself, my husband, my relationship with friends and my family. So that has been of course everyone has their own time, but imagine being in that room, imagine yourself 500 years ago in the room when you are in the high achievement in next to the king and queen of Spain, and a guy comes to you and say, you know, somebody told me that if you continue to sail, we're gonna go to India. And then you have options. Do you believe him or do you or don't? And is that moment I think right now that we are living with a lot of people who probably, if they were in that room, they don't invest. No, and I feel right now that I was in the room and I believe, and now my life is richer, full of beautiful things that I'm living, but not only myself, it's like a for everyone around me. Yeah, so it really is it's up to every person to decide do I wanna do it differently, and that's why in the book we put five stories to give inspiration to different people to see themselves in a different lens, in the lens of possibilities. And that has been really making a connection, a beautiful connection for everyone to see where they are.

SPEAKER_02: 15:23

Lovely. And what's the reaction been? Well, have you had a reaction from men who've read the book? Because I'm sure there's lots of men who've read the book.

SPEAKER_00: 15:33

Yes, absolutely. Um, it's been mixed in the sense that some probably read it because they want to understand women better.

SPEAKER_02: 15:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 15:48

And, you know, even though it's a novel and it's fictional, there's nothing fictional about the stories. We all know a woman in our lives, uh, for that matter, a man in our lives who's been sexually abused, who's been divorced, who is angry at the world because they're fighting all the time to live, to experience, and and it feels like it's a never-ending battle. We've all had somebody who's been at the top of their world and not enjoying it because they only see the glass half empty, or someone who's had to wear masks. In the case of our novel, there's a woman who is gay and has not been able to tell her parents. But we've all worn different masks to be accepted and to belong and to be loved. And so when when men have experienced this, I think they start with an idea and they come out also changing because at the end, it is the human, that the soul inside all of us, it's yearning for the same thing, for the same recognition, for the same peace that we know exists. Um, but for example, something happened uh yesterday when we were leaving Mexico. Rocio often in Mexico is really beautiful because you can go and and you're walking, and there is a gentleman or a lady cleaning shoes in the corner. So you can sit on their chair and they talk to you and they shine your shoes. So Rocio did that about four months ago, five months ago, and she starts talking as we now do in every conversation of our lives. It's about our our live experience. And she begins telling the man who's cleaning her shoes about the book. And actually, he was standing there, the lady was cleaning, and and the man is it's maybe a valet. He's uh parking cars, yeah. And and that's it. End of conversation. Fast forward, we're there again this week, where Sio sees the man again, and she goes, Hey, did you ever consider buying the book? He goes, ma'am, I bought the book and I read it. Excellent. And he says, but I have an issue because this is a gentleman that comes from a very low socioeconomic background, very humble gentleman, right? And he goes, I have an issue with Mary. She, you know, she's really wealthy. Why is she doing this? Why is she helping people? Why is she giving away her money? I think it's fake. And we started talking and telling him our vision of life and how we see a world in which we can share resources. And what because at the end, not everybody wants the same thing. And this gentleman started crying in the middle of the street as we're talking to him. And he's saying, I didn't think it was true. And I get emotional. And now, hearing you say it, I can feel how true it is for you, and therefore I believe it. And it was like, oh, so moving. So we've had everything in the spectrum of men reading it, corporate men who are reading it and saying, I need to add more feminine power in my life. Um, you know, yeah, it's it's truly rewarding to hear all of those.

SPEAKER_02: 20:07

Yeah, that's fabulous. And it comes on to the next point about you know, you creating a story and fictional characters, and yet that is beginning to shift like cultural standards or cultural norms, if you like. Um, like that gentleman just you know that he suddenly realized you know, that exists, that that concept of giving away resources, you know, enough for everybody sharing, you know, that that that's really interesting that it has that next level of ripple, if you like. That ripple going out, but it's the next level of it, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00: 20:55

I think what we're finding, and now this is a very personal point of view, our institutions are failing us, right? They've been around for so long. We've been looking at them, they've been strong, some better than others, but but lately, you know, it's like, oh, where are we going? And and and you see the lack of empathy in in many of the people who are leading, and it doesn't matter whether it's countries or organizations and so on. And you're like, I'd love to see, you know, it doesn't matter whether I agree with you in some of your political and and sort of director agendas and so on, but I'd love to see more empathy in the way in which you carry them through. And I believe that that's leading all of us to ask a lot of questions. What have I been believing in? Um, because that which my grandparents believed in and passed on to my parents and pass on to me, it's it's doesn't seem to be working quite well. And maybe it's because of many reasons, right? Prices are up. Um, there's too many of us, perhaps, whatever. And I think that when people start to question that, it opens the door for what many call awakening, right? And the awakening can be spiritual, but it can also be very humanly centered, which is the way I've been living my life needs to change. Yeah. And I think that's what we're seeing. And the book is an invitation to do that. The book is an invitation to say, I know you've been for a long time looking externally. I know for a long time you've been saying, I have to, I don't know, whatever it is that we've told ourselves. I gotta get a car, I gotta buy the house, I gotta have 2.5 children, I have to, I have to, I have to, I have to. And it's all external. And and the book invites people to go in as many as as things and conversations like this podcast and other books and other conversations are doing. And the beauty is when you go inside, it is the truest and most authentic experience that you can have because it's yours and really yours. And when you dig in and you find love and you find empathy and you find hurt, and you realize that a lot of that trauma and hurt is what making you decide sometimes to put the empathy aside because I'm not gonna show love. No one showed me love when I was you know, complete that sentence. That's when we begin to really shift within, and and that's what we're seeing with the book. It's really moving.

SPEAKER_01: 23:37

And that your voice matter because we can impact really a profound impact, no matter how small you feel, no matter how big you feel. It's like really everyone in different levels, we are doing an impact. So that's why it's so important these forums, this communication, for us to really align ourselves with that, with with possibilities, with hope for teamwork, like creating communities all over the world, like we can do different paths.

SPEAKER_02: 24:20

Yeah, yeah, it's lovely to see that happening, fabulous. Now, tell me about turning the book into a stage play. That sounds very exciting. Oh my god, a lot of work, I should think, but very exciting.

SPEAKER_01: 24:36

Yeah, we did that over the summer, and of course, is is working and see what makes sense, how we're gonna create a beautiful experience for anyone who enters to see the evolution and to feel it, really.

SPEAKER_00: 24:56

We know that a part of the world um doesn't read. You know, there's there's a large number of our population that doesn't. But I didn't we know they love entertainment and they love to go to different places, and so we thought live experiences, and we thought that it would be great to be able to capture the novel and turn it into a two-hour experience in which people lose themselves again in a story, yeah, and in the process maybe learn a little bit something about themselves and walk away with a few tools that they could use in their daily lives. And so, yes, we have a first draft. It's it still has a long, a lot of work to go.

SPEAKER_02: 25:44

I think that must be quite difficult to go from a book to how are you gonna convey that on the stage? That's actually that hurts my head thinking about it, then yes.

SPEAKER_00: 25:57

Luckily, um we are we're very conscientious of that, and so we're surrounding ourselves by people who have done that before, right? And so the idea is it's to really craft something that is powerful for the audience, something that we learned in another organization um is love yourself, love what you do, and love your audience. Yeah, and so we love ourselves deeply. We are enjoying and loving really profoundly what we're doing. And what we're trying to make sure is that as we develop other projects, such as the play, that the audience is loved fully so that they experience, you know, they walk away with that wonderful experience. And hopefully, you know, word of mouth is important and and they can share and say, hey, go and check this out as many wonderful pieces of art that have taken the stage have done. They transform people.

SPEAKER_02: 27:04

That sounds so exciting. So do you have a plan where then when that might come out? Or is it just you're just working your way through that process?

SPEAKER_00: 27:14

Yeah, I think that's I think that's right, because we we had um we had this ambition that it would be at the end of this year, but I think it with we then realized that we had like 10 trips to different places to promote the book and so on, that it was unrealistic. So I think I think next year we'll have a better idea. Early next year we'll have a better idea as to when that is likely.

SPEAKER_02: 27:39

Yeah, exciting, and I hope it comes to England.

SPEAKER_01: 27:43

Well, that will be a privilege because really what I most of my time in London was going to a different play every week.

SPEAKER_02: 27:55

Yes, fabulous.

SPEAKER_01: 27:56

It's is fabulous. The really the experience is incredible.

SPEAKER_00: 28:01

Few places in the world have embraced the stage as as England does, and so oh my gosh, it would be an honor if that was the case.

SPEAKER_02: 28:12

I will keep my eye out for it, definitely.

SPEAKER_01: 28:15

You're gonna be invited to the premiere.

SPEAKER_02: 28:19

Oh, fabulous! Oh, fabulous. I'll be there. Um, so tell me, do you ever see a sequel coming out for the orchid?

SPEAKER_00: 28:30

Yes. Yes, we have also last year we had a um a great retreat. We did a retreat for like a month, and it was Rocio, myself, our two daughters, and my mom, together with some 45 people. And at that time, we wrote the first chapter of the book as part of an exercise. And since then, many things have happened that kind of point to that direction, that that is the book, that that is the story that needs to be told. One of the things that we did that was really looking back now, it's like, wow, I can't believe it works so well. Is that Natasha? We created a world in the orchid. Um, and the idea is that you have 14 teachers there, including Mary, whose story you don't you know, Mary's story a little bit, but not deeply. Right. So that's a great story. Then you have all the other 13 teachers and healers. Their stories have to be incredible as well. And in addition, there is 25 other women who we spoke very briefly about in this place. So there really is a universe of characters that we would like to explore. And going back to one of your earlier questions, there is a story about men that needs to be told and the way in which men are healing and and what's going through their minds and their hearts as they do.

SPEAKER_02: 30:03

Yeah. Because because the outcome from the orchid is going to shift relationships and men's concepts of women, and so many things. There's so many left layers there, aren't there? So that's exciting.

SPEAKER_01: 30:22

It's super exciting because at the end, really, in the moment that you heal and you begin to appreciate your life from another perspective, and really it's not limited. No. So you you can really change. I understand society tells you how you need to communicate with your kids. So at one point you remove all those limiting beliefs, and it's like no, we're gonna do it different. So when you really dare to jump, and then less judgment in general for anyone who is trying different things, is becomes a society of understanding, of support, and that I believe is what we need now to promote more and more between ourselves, our peers, and some people they use the book to a pay forward favor. It's like a you know, this helped me, let me give it to you, and then pass it on, pass it on.

SPEAKER_02: 31:39

Yes, yes, yes. Do you sometimes you you just you know you've done this book and it's been so popular and there's so much more coming, and do you feel that it was it's almost um divinely guided for want want of a better phrase? Go on, what is it?

SPEAKER_00: 32:03

Not almost. Let's take away the word almost. Okay, it is without a doubt an inspiration of something much greater than we. And it humbles us every day, it makes us tear on a daily basis because what ends up happening, and this is really important, I think. So I'll say it for your audience. It's not that, oh, look at them, they reached a certain stage in their lives and now they're up there and they're looking down. Absolutely not. It couldn't be further from the truth. What we've done is we've trained ourselves to go up and down the stairs very quickly and much easierly, right? And so to a certain extent, we go up and sometimes we're flying high, and this feeling of we can do anything. And then once in a while, we drop down the stairs and we roll. And it's like, okay, I'm really hating the world today, or myself, or this situation, and I feel so heavy. And what does is that we now have tools and language. We look at each other, and I say, or she says to me, Are you okay? Because you're not sounding normal. And what we mean by that is you seem to be really heavy right now. What's going on? And that then takes us inside. I didn't say, let me think. Let me, oh gosh, yeah. That conversation yesterday with my sister or my brother or my mom or the way I treated that person or the way that person treated me triggered something. Maybe I need to take care of that. Because now we understand that we've all been trained, and this I think it's largely true culturally. We've all been trained to seal the situation, put it in an envelope, maybe a very tight flask or box, and put it in the back end of your car, of your household, on the basement, and don't ever talk about it again. And what ends up happening is we think it's inside the box, but it keeps showing up in front of us in every conversation, every relationship, every decision we make. And so the moment you begin to address it and start to heal that wound, close it, and it closes more until it scars, then you're no longer at the mercy of that. And what it happens is that it allows us to then kind of be happier, vibrate in a much lighter energy. And at that point, you then come and you have it's almost like your lenses are cleansed, and you can see the miracles that happen around you all the time. And you connect to that divinity, that energy that it's always with us. We think God leaves us, God doesn't leave us, and that energy never leaves us. We're the ones that turn away from it. We don't see it, but it's right with us.

SPEAKER_02: 35:21

Yes, it feels like that. It feels like that, definitely. You you can you I can definitely feel that. So that's that's amazing, isn't it? That's lovely, and goodness knows where it will go. How people will go is is only growing.

SPEAKER_01: 35:41

Yeah, for example, I was I didn't know, and remember, we are not in the top, we are continue to be divine beings having a human experience, yes, and inside of me, I have that part that when I was 20, I have a lot of pain inside of me. But you know, I was able to have a conversation with somebody who I was expecting to help me in that period of life. And I I went to Mexico, I have a conversation with that person.

SPEAKER_00: 36:21

That happened like in the past three days. This is very recent.

SPEAKER_01: 36:24

Yes, and I have the conversation, but I understand that it's not the 53 woman who is in front of him, is the 20-year-old inside of me who has a scar. And I begin to tell him, Why don't you protect me? Why don't you work there to help me? And I discovered that his 22-year-old was not able to help me, so he was doing the best he can at the moment. So the moment of healing was feeling like uh that pain was leaving my body, still painful because I was crying, but understanding that that is in the past, that he was not able to do it, that I need to let go, and and feels really amazing when you give that a closure.

SPEAKER_02: 37:33

Yes. It's lovely that you're yes, and you're still experiencing that healing. And I love the fact that you have each other to bounce off. You both fully understand what's happening and all about you know the therapies and what so you you sort of can really help each other through that. Like you say, you're not sounding normal. What's going on? You need to, you know, you've got somebody constantly, which is lovely, and that that pushes you, doesn't it? It pushes both of you.

SPEAKER_00: 38:06

It helps tremendously because, for example, I I was in front of the two of them, Rocio and the other person, and I was able to tell the other person, I know everything inside of you. Well, I don't, I didn't quite say it that way, but what I insinuated was I know everything inside of you wants to tell you, get up and leave the table. But this is not about you. There's a lot of healing going on here right now. If you could just see that, that there is that that 18-year-old inside of her is is expressing herself perhaps for the first time about this issue. And so, and so it kind of allows the individuals to really step back a little and say, oh, this is okay then. Yeah, it's okay to have this conversation, and it's not judgmental, it's not attacking you, it really is healing because I think what he walked away with was an understanding of how the healing process works for Rocio.

SPEAKER_02: 39:08

But at the same time, I'm sure he must have seen how it might could work for him, and I'm sure it did shifted levels inside of him just by seeing in that energy and that you know, and understanding it's not confrontational, it's not me having a go at you, it's just trying to resolve it was beautiful, was really beautiful.

SPEAKER_01: 39:32

So I obvious obviously I recommend people to go and to learn and and be curious of how you can remove and heal your emotional body. Because in the moment that you begin to heal your emotional body, you don't get sick the same. You begin, it's like a it's a lot of benefit if more people begin to understand this language is not with you, is in how we can support somebody who is going through something difficult. Yeah, we understand that we don't society has been shut away for understanding how to support people who are in pain. Yeah, so in the moment we under we can help better, maybe with a word, maybe only with standing there and allowing people to go through their process to let go. So I think it's gonna really, Natasha. I feel really, really hopeful because we are not special, but we are really key and understanding better ourselves and put ourselves in front of a camera to express this for more people to see that is possible.

SPEAKER_02: 41:02

Yes, absolutely holding space for people, but let me just add as well when you do my experience of doing 20 years of energy healing on myself. I never thought I had an issue until I started, but then you start removing all these layers, don't you? But I'm actually physically stronger now than I've been before, and I actually think you get better mental clarity as well. As you clean up your energy, I believe it's all sort of flows through you that you you have that those benefits in a way.

SPEAKER_00: 41:41

I I we've been reading a lot and fascinated by an institute called the Heart Math Institute. And and they've been studying for like four decades, they've been studying the connection between the brain and the heart. Yes. And I believe that it's not a coincidence that we've been taught that emotional expression and emotional healing is weakness.

SPEAKER_02: 42:10

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 42:10

Because I think what it's done, it's disconnected perhaps the most powerful combination, which is our brain and our hearts. And now that we've are healing, to your point, the emotions, right? That emotional body that Russia also spoke about, what it does, it creates a better link of communication between the heart and the brain. And I believe that that is going to open up a new era of human evolution. And when I say open up, it's really open up again a new era of healing evolution. Because I think we were connected in a much greater way thousands of years ago. And there's a reason why when someone is making a gigantic decision in their lives, you know, they say, Well, have you thought about it really well? Yes. And then they often say, and what does your heart say?

SPEAKER_02: 43:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 43:10

There is a reason why we ask that, that it's embedded in our in our words, in our thinking, in our systems, in our systems, right? And so I think that that combination of the two, our our emotional intelligence is powerful. And also once you heal it, it begins to give us an extra set of, I don't know, power that we didn't know we had before.

SPEAKER_02: 43:36

Because in fact, the heart is stronger than the brain, isn't it? When when you're looking at electromagnetics and this right, not not the um that's right, not the physical brain. And in fact, they think our consciousness is in our energy, it's not up here. Yeah. You know, we focus on the wrong when you say you're too in your head, like you that that's that's yeah, you're disconnected, aren't you?

SPEAKER_00: 44:05

And I'm sure some listeners may be like, what are you guys talking about? But what what I would say, do some Google searches, do and find out consciousness connected to brain, heart and mind um coherence. These are all topics that are being spoken about, that are being tested and studied on a very scientific, rigid agenda. Yeah, this is not people sitting down by the fire, as our story is. It is real science being done that it's proving what you just said, Natasha, that the heart, that the heart's um uh circumference in terms of energy has been tested at beyond a meter. And they don't know how far it goes because the machines that test it don't go that far either. And so it is really wonderful. And I think going back to us and this conversation, what we found is as we found a greater alignment between our heart and our brain, what we think and how we feel, we have uncovered a power in an individual power that really is beautiful, first of all, yeah, because it's about sharing, about loving, about being present. Joy is about joy, but also powerful, very strong is I know, I know what my purpose is right now, yeah, and I am living it. And so I encourage everyone who is listening to give yourself that gift of curiosity and go inside and find not what's true based on what we said, but what is true for you based on what you know to be true internally.

SPEAKER_02: 45:58

Yes. And when you feel that, whether you call it intuition or whatever you call it, when you get a realization and you think I have to do that, nothing sways you. You're not thinking logically, you are going with your intuition. So it doesn't matter if people say, but that doesn't make sense, it doesn't matter. That that's what I'm doing. And when people feel that, it's a really powerful sort of benchmark, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00: 46:28

I believe it's what yeah, it's I believe is what drives humans to do these incredible things that we look at sometimes and like, how did they accomplish that? Whether it's a gymnast or any form of athlete, now there's athletes doing like three or five ultra marathons back to back. How does you do that? It's really when they connect with that power within, yeah. And it could be a painter, it could be an artist, it could be anything. And I think allow yourself to be enchanted by the beauty of who you are, yeah, yeah. You know, and allow that to emerge. Um, whether you want to be a pilot or dance or cook or take care of children, it doesn't matter. Or sail across the oceans 15 times, yeah. Um, whatever.

SPEAKER_02: 47:26

Wow. Well, I could speak to you for hours. So we're so lovely to see you both, and I'm so so pleased the book's done so well. That's super, and I am sure that it will continue to snowball and you know, and I look forward to the play. Can't wait for that.

SPEAKER_00: 47:47

Same.

SPEAKER_01: 47:48

Thank you so much, Natasha. We are really our existence has a beautiful meaning only because we are doing this incredible work, so is I don't want to do anything else, only to to really ignite in people curiosity and that bridge that helps to connect with themselves. Yes, that is the most important part. Nothing else is how you can find that bridge who help you to be you.

SPEAKER_00: 48:29

That's amazing, and you are doing that, which is fabulous, and so are you, because you're having all these amazing conversations, and frankly, people say, Well, I don't know how to meditate. I think this conversation is like a meditation, it elevates you to a certain point, right? And all of a sudden you feel differently, you've let go.

SPEAKER_02: 48:51

Yeah, I often come away afterwards and I have a smile on my face, and I have and it's all sorts of information and ideas drop in because I think you are like you say, you're in a different space, so yeah, it's just a free resource for people to just listen. That's all they have to do. Have a listen and just be moved. Ah, yes, to connect to their hearts, to whatever resonates with them.

SPEAKER_00: 49:19

Yeah, it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_01: 49:21

We have for the space, yes, it's incredible. We have the book in audiobook, and the audiobook was a word to for a best audiobook in this category.

SPEAKER_02: 49:35

So fabulous, yes, yes, yes, it's a even that makes it too easy for people, doesn't it? They can just find that and listen. That's all they can do.

SPEAKER_00: 49:47

And that was the purpose, that was ultimately the purpose of the book. Come for a story, and maybe you learn a few things, but really maybe it starts to raise that curiosity within. And certainly, I have to imagine, if you're listening to this podcast, that curiosity is already ignited, or at the very least, yes, yeah. At the very least, you already know that you like this, which is why you're listening. Allow yourself to go a little bit further each time and keep finding yourself.

SPEAKER_02: 50:18

Yes, absolutely. Well, it's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you so much for coming back on. It's been really, really lovely, and I love talking to you both. So thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00: 50:31

Thank you. Thank you as well, Sasha. Thank you. Blessings.

SPEAKER_02: 50:34

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